Egg-shaped vase-like thing next to Garab Dorje in images

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Egg-shaped vase-like thing next to Garab Dorje in images

Post by Pema Rigdzin » Thu Jul 26, 2018 11:14 pm

Out of curiosity, anyone know what the egg-shaped, vase-like things is to the right of Garab Dorje (and many other Dzogchen lineage masters) is?

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/dc/02/b5/dc02 ... 0d1c50.jpg

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Re: Egg-shaped vase-like thing next to Garab Dorje in images

Post by Malcolm » Thu Jul 26, 2018 11:18 pm

Pema Rigdzin wrote:
Thu Jul 26, 2018 11:14 pm
Out of curiosity, anyone know what the egg-shaped, vase-like things is to the right of Garab Dorje (and many other Dzogchen lineage masters) is?

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/dc/02/b5/dc02 ... 0d1c50.jpg
It is a basket.
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Re: Egg-shaped vase-like thing next to Garab Dorje in images

Post by Pema Rigdzin » Thu Jul 26, 2018 11:30 pm

Malcolm wrote:
Thu Jul 26, 2018 11:18 pm
Pema Rigdzin wrote:
Thu Jul 26, 2018 11:14 pm
Out of curiosity, anyone know what the egg-shaped, vase-like things is to the right of Garab Dorje (and many other Dzogchen lineage masters) is?

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/dc/02/b5/dc02 ... 0d1c50.jpg
It is a basket.
Does it symbolize holding the whole Dzogchen teachings, ie "Dzogchen pitaka"? If not, what does it symbolize? I only remember seeing it next to Dzogchen masters.

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Re: Egg-shaped vase-like thing next to Garab Dorje in images

Post by Malcolm » Thu Jul 26, 2018 11:34 pm

Pema Rigdzin wrote:
Thu Jul 26, 2018 11:30 pm
Malcolm wrote:
Thu Jul 26, 2018 11:18 pm
Pema Rigdzin wrote:
Thu Jul 26, 2018 11:14 pm
Out of curiosity, anyone know what the egg-shaped, vase-like things is to the right of Garab Dorje (and many other Dzogchen lineage masters) is?

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/dc/02/b5/dc02 ... 0d1c50.jpg
It is a basket.
Does it symbolize holding the whole Dzogchen teachings, ie "Dzogchen pitaka"? If not, what does it symbolize? I only remember seeing it next to Dzogchen masters.
It's where you store your stuff.
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[A]nything at all that is well spoken is the word of the Buddha.

-- Ārya-adhyāśaya-sañcodana-nāma-mahāyāna-sūtra

The different sūtras in accord with the emptiness
taught by the Sugata are definitive in meaning;
One can understand that all of those Dharmas in
which a sentient being, individual, or person are taught are provisional in meaning.

-- Samadhirāja Sūtra

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Re: Egg-shaped vase-like thing next to Garab Dorje in images

Post by Pema Rigdzin » Thu Jul 26, 2018 11:41 pm

Malcolm wrote:
Thu Jul 26, 2018 11:34 pm
Pema Rigdzin wrote:
Thu Jul 26, 2018 11:30 pm
Malcolm wrote:
Thu Jul 26, 2018 11:18 pm


It is a basket.
Does it symbolize holding the whole Dzogchen teachings, ie "Dzogchen pitaka"? If not, what does it symbolize? I only remember seeing it next to Dzogchen masters.
It's where you store your stuff.
lol ok, but what's the significance of depicting it in a lineage master's thangka? And seemingly only in those of master of Dzogchen, and always on the left, and so ornate for a mere storage bin?

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Post by Grigoris » Fri Jul 27, 2018 8:09 am

Malcolm wrote:
Thu Jul 26, 2018 11:18 pm
Pema Rigdzin wrote:
Thu Jul 26, 2018 11:14 pm
Out of curiosity, anyone know what the egg-shaped, vase-like things is to the right of Garab Dorje (and many other Dzogchen lineage masters) is?

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/dc/02/b5/dc02 ... 0d1c50.jpg
It is a basket.
An egg-shaped egg basket? :tongue:
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Re: Egg-shaped vase-like thing next to Garab Dorje in images

Post by Kunzang Tobgyal » Fri Jul 27, 2018 1:24 pm

Pema Rigdzin wrote:
Thu Jul 26, 2018 11:41 pm
Malcolm wrote:
Thu Jul 26, 2018 11:34 pm
Pema Rigdzin wrote:
Thu Jul 26, 2018 11:30 pm


Does it symbolize holding the whole Dzogchen teachings, ie "Dzogchen pitaka"? If not, what does it symbolize? I only remember seeing it next to Dzogchen masters.
It's where you store your stuff.
lol ok, but what's the significance of depicting it in a lineage master's thangka? And seemingly only in those of master of Dzogchen, and always on the left, and so ornate for a mere storage bin?
I've heard (by Malcolm?) that the "stuff" inside the egg shaped basket is all the tantric stuff. Bell and dorje, bumpa, etc. Everything one might need for elaborate empowerments and introductions. If the utterly unelaborate empowerment doesn't work, then the Guru can bust out the tantric toys and offer a more seemingly complex empowerment.

Think Chögyal Namkhai Norbu's first empowerment experience with his Guru Changchub Dorje Rinpoche.

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Re: Egg-shaped vase-like thing next to Garab Dorje in images

Post by MiphamFan » Fri Jul 27, 2018 3:22 pm

Kunzang Tobgyal wrote:
Fri Jul 27, 2018 1:24 pm
Pema Rigdzin wrote:
Thu Jul 26, 2018 11:41 pm
Malcolm wrote:
Thu Jul 26, 2018 11:34 pm


It's where you store your stuff.
lol ok, but what's the significance of depicting it in a lineage master's thangka? And seemingly only in those of master of Dzogchen, and always on the left, and so ornate for a mere storage bin?
I've heard (by Malcolm?) that the "stuff" inside the egg shaped basket is all the tantric stuff. Bell and dorje, bumpa, etc. Everything one might need for elaborate empowerments and introductions. If the utterly unelaborate empowerment doesn't work, then the Guru can bust out the tantric toys and offer a more seemingly complex empowerment.

Think Chögyal Namkhai Norbu's first empowerment experience with his Guru Changchub Dorje Rinpoche.
Rinpoche explained a few times that yogis carried a basket they called their "samatogs".

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Re: Egg-shaped vase-like thing next to Garab Dorje in images

Post by Kunzang Tobgyal » Fri Jul 27, 2018 4:34 pm

MiphamFan wrote:
Fri Jul 27, 2018 3:22 pm
Kunzang Tobgyal wrote:
Fri Jul 27, 2018 1:24 pm
Pema Rigdzin wrote:
Thu Jul 26, 2018 11:41 pm


lol ok, but what's the significance of depicting it in a lineage master's thangka? And seemingly only in those of master of Dzogchen, and always on the left, and so ornate for a mere storage bin?
I've heard (by Malcolm?) that the "stuff" inside the egg shaped basket is all the tantric stuff. Bell and dorje, bumpa, etc. Everything one might need for elaborate empowerments and introductions. If the utterly unelaborate empowerment doesn't work, then the Guru can bust out the tantric toys and offer a more seemingly complex empowerment.

Think Chögyal Namkhai Norbu's first empowerment experience with his Guru Changchub Dorje Rinpoche.
Rinpoche explained a few times that yogis carried a basket they called their "samatogs".
Very Cool. Did he mention what kinda stuff they held inside?

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Re: Egg-shaped vase-like thing next to Garab Dorje in images

Post by MiphamFan » Sat Jul 28, 2018 10:58 am

Initation cards when they wanted to give an empowerment, malas, vajra and bell. Everything a travelling siddha needs.

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Post by javier.espinoza.t » Sat Jul 28, 2018 5:09 pm

MiphamFan wrote:
Sat Jul 28, 2018 10:58 am
Initation cards when they wanted to give an empowerment, malas, vajra and bell. Everything a travelling siddha needs.
it's an ancient and not ergonomic backpack haha
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Post by lelopa » Sat Jul 28, 2018 7:42 pm

javier.espinoza.t wrote:
Sat Jul 28, 2018 5:09 pm
MiphamFan wrote:
Sat Jul 28, 2018 10:58 am
Initation cards when they wanted to give an empowerment, malas, vajra and bell. Everything a travelling siddha needs.
it's an ancient and not ergonomic backpack haha
i believe in sidepack (shoulder bag)
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Post by Mantrik » Sun Jul 29, 2018 8:08 am

We should rely on 3 Baskets and not put all our eggs in one. ;)
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Post by amanitamusc » Sun Jul 29, 2018 9:14 am

javier.espinoza.t wrote:
Sat Jul 28, 2018 5:09 pm
MiphamFan wrote:
Sat Jul 28, 2018 10:58 am
Initation cards when they wanted to give an empowerment, malas, vajra and bell. Everything a travelling siddha needs.
it's an ancient and not ergonomic backpack haha
Good one. :tongue:

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Post by javier.espinoza.t » Tue Jul 31, 2018 10:54 am

i wonder how weird was a sort of renunciant going around with a basket. it couldn't be a more curious guy haha

maybe they hid in a disguise of bizarre
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Post by Josef » Tue Jul 31, 2018 7:12 pm

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