Ati Guru Yoga and Semdzins

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Motova
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Ati Guru Yoga and Semdzins

Post by Motova » Wed Aug 08, 2018 7:15 pm

What are the differences between Ati Guru Yoga and Semdzins?

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Re: Ati Guru Yoga and Semdzins

Post by Crazywisdom » Wed Aug 08, 2018 7:35 pm

Guru yoga is a central practice in DC. You are mirroring the teachers mind. In semzin you are becoming better acquainted with that under various conditions.
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Re: Ati Guru Yoga and Semdzins

Post by Motova » Wed Aug 08, 2018 8:00 pm

Crazywisdom wrote:
Wed Aug 08, 2018 7:35 pm
Guru yoga is a central practice in DC. You are mirroring the teachers mind. In semzin you are becoming better acquainted with that under various conditions.
I'm sorry that doesn't clear things up for me.

My understanding is that both result in Guru Yoga, and both use the same experiences to enter Guru Yoga.
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Re: Ati Guru Yoga and Semdzins

Post by Crazywisdom » Wed Aug 08, 2018 8:28 pm

Motova wrote:
Wed Aug 08, 2018 8:00 pm
Crazywisdom wrote:
Wed Aug 08, 2018 7:35 pm
Guru yoga is a central practice in DC. You are mirroring the teachers mind. In semzin you are becoming better acquainted with that under various conditions.
I'm sorry that doesn't clear things up for me.

My understanding is that both result in Guru Yoga, and both use the same experiences to enter Guru Yoga.
Guru yoga is one. Semzin are many. So many like 21 aspects of body speech and mind.
I got my Chili Chilaya.

Motova
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Re: Ati Guru Yoga and Semdzins

Post by Motova » Wed Aug 08, 2018 8:38 pm

Crazywisdom wrote:
Wed Aug 08, 2018 8:28 pm
Motova wrote:
Wed Aug 08, 2018 8:00 pm
Crazywisdom wrote:
Wed Aug 08, 2018 7:35 pm
Guru yoga is a central practice in DC. You are mirroring the teachers mind. In semzin you are becoming better acquainted with that under various conditions.
I'm sorry that doesn't clear things up for me.

My understanding is that both result in Guru Yoga, and both use the same experiences to enter Guru Yoga.
Guru yoga is one. Semzin are many. So many like 21 aspects of body speech and mind.
Are you saying Ati Guru Yoga is the ultimate semdzin, and semdzins are limited Guru Yogas?
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Re: Ati Guru Yoga and Semdzins

Post by Crazywisdom » Wed Aug 08, 2018 8:58 pm

Motova wrote:
Wed Aug 08, 2018 8:38 pm
Crazywisdom wrote:
Wed Aug 08, 2018 8:28 pm
Motova wrote:
Wed Aug 08, 2018 8:00 pm


I'm sorry that doesn't clear things up for me.

My understanding is that both result in Guru Yoga, and both use the same experiences to enter Guru Yoga.
Guru yoga is one. Semzin are many. So many like 21 aspects of body speech and mind.
Are you saying Ati Guru Yoga is the ultimate semdzin, and semdzins are limited Guru Yogas?
Pretty much. But the semzin are like many keys you keep trying until one works then you are no longer in doubt.
I got my Chili Chilaya.

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Re: Ati Guru Yoga and Semdzins

Post by Motova » Wed Aug 08, 2018 9:27 pm

Crazywisdom wrote:
Wed Aug 08, 2018 8:58 pm
Motova wrote:
Wed Aug 08, 2018 8:38 pm
Crazywisdom wrote:
Wed Aug 08, 2018 8:28 pm


Guru yoga is one. Semzin are many. So many like 21 aspects of body speech and mind.
Are you saying Ati Guru Yoga is the ultimate semdzin, and semdzins are limited Guru Yogas?
Pretty much. But the semzin are like many keys you keep trying until one works then you are no longer in doubt.
Thank you. :smile:
To become a rain man one must master the ten virtues and sciences.

Crazywisdom
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Re: Ati Guru Yoga and Semdzins

Post by Crazywisdom » Wed Aug 08, 2018 9:35 pm

Motova wrote:
Wed Aug 08, 2018 9:27 pm
Crazywisdom wrote:
Wed Aug 08, 2018 8:58 pm
Motova wrote:
Wed Aug 08, 2018 8:38 pm


Are you saying Ati Guru Yoga is the ultimate semdzin, and semdzins are limited Guru Yogas?
Pretty much. But the semzin are like many keys you keep trying until one works then you are no longer in doubt.
Thank you. :smile:
You’re welcome. Good job.
I got my Chili Chilaya.

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Re: Ati Guru Yoga and Semdzins

Post by haha » Thu Aug 09, 2018 1:34 pm

Motova wrote:
Wed Aug 08, 2018 7:15 pm
Sem means the mind in Tibetan. It also means to think. Certainly it doesn't simply mean the mind, but it means the nature of
the mind. It means that one finds oneself in, and lives in, the knowledge of the nature of the mind, also through much intellectual study, through oral explanation and teaching.

Chogyal Namkhai Norbu Rinpoche

In this world hatred never ceases with hatred
With non hatred it ceases, this is the ancient lore.

Upakilesasuttaṃ

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