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Motova
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Is gcer grol Guru Yoga?

Is gcer grol instant presence?

Is gcer grol contemplation?

What benefits does gcer grol lack compared to shar grol and rang grol?

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If a practitioner dies using Rinpoche's advice but only has capacity for gcer grol then what will the result be?

In those circumstances is it better to prepare for death by practicing Nirmanakaya Phowa?
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Are the Four Chogshag basically an expansion or explanation of gcer grol? In Rinpoche's Cycle of Day and Night he explains self liberation through the terms gcer grol, shar grol and rang grol. Are the Four Chogshag essentially contained in his explanations or is there something special that I missed?
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They are three levels of capacity for self-liberation of experiences during the process of integration.
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Motova wrote: Wed Aug 08, 2018 9:05 pm Are the Four Chogshag basically an expansion or explanation of gcer grol? In Rinpoche's Cycle of Day and Night he explains self liberation through the terms gcer grol, shar grol and rang grol. Are the Four Chogshag essentially contained in his explanations or is there something special that I missed?
Which book are you referring to ?
There is "The Cycle of Day and Night and Its Relation to the Original Teaching: The Upadesha of Vajrasattva" to develop the state of contemplation and "The Cycle of Day and Night , The Commentary" related to longde.
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florin wrote: Wed Aug 08, 2018 9:56 pm
Motova wrote: Wed Aug 08, 2018 9:05 pm Are the Four Chogshag basically an expansion or explanation of gcer grol? In Rinpoche's Cycle of Day and Night he explains self liberation through the terms gcer grol, shar grol and rang grol. Are the Four Chogshag essentially contained in his explanations or is there something special that I missed?
Which book are you referring to ?
There is "The Cycle of Day and Night and Its Relation to the Original Teaching: The Upadesha of Vajrasattva" to develop the state of contemplation and "The Cycle of Day and Night , The Commentary" related to longde.
The Cycle of Day and Night: An Essential Tibetan Text on the Practice if Dzogchen
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Motova wrote: Wed Aug 08, 2018 8:35 pm Is gcer grol Guru Yoga?

Is gcer grol instant presence?

Is gcer grol contemplation?

What benefits does gcer grol lack compared to shar grol and rang grol?

Thank you.
gcer drol is a quality of guru yoga, instant presence, contemplation.
"All phenomena of samsara depend on the mind, so when the essence of mind is purified, samsara is purified. Since the phenomena of nirvana depend on the pristine consciousness of vidyā, because one remains in the immediacy of vidyā, buddhahood arises on its own. All critical points are summarized with those two." - Longchenpa
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Josef wrote: Thu Aug 09, 2018 1:29 am
Motova wrote: Wed Aug 08, 2018 8:35 pm Is gcer grol Guru Yoga?

Is gcer grol instant presence?

Is gcer grol contemplation?

What benefits does gcer grol lack compared to shar grol and rang grol?

Thank you.
gcer drol is a quality of guru yoga, instant presence, contemplation.
Thank you. I feel like I understand Dzogchen intellectually now. :smile:
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