Seeing in the Dark

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Re: Seeing in the Dark

Post by oldbob » Mon Nov 05, 2018 11:14 pm

kalden yungdrung wrote:
Sat Nov 03, 2018 3:23 pm
Motova wrote:
Sun Oct 28, 2018 5:16 pm
I remember Rinpoche said Ayu Khandro could see in the dark. How does one develop this ability?

Does it have to do with unlocking the visions? If so, which vision?

Thank you.
To be able of Awareness in the Dark Room is a method used in Dzogchen.
The Darkness is here the medium, another medium would be the blue skies.

As a basic we must have a stable Presence of Awareness.

This Dark Retreat Method goes beyond the daily illusory consciousness.


To be Aware in the dark does not make use of the consciousness, so this presence in the Dark Room goes BEYOND the consciousness.

We have 2 ways of seeing, one is looking from outside to inside with knowing everything (remembered) by its name etc. (stored in the Alaya Vinjana)
The other way is "looking" from inside to outsside, which projects the visions into the darkness.
In the darkness there is nothing visible, so what is "seen" does not originate in the darkness.

This is finally the prove that visions come from inside to outside, without the intervention of the consciousness.
This Awareness resembles the Bardo State of Dying very much, here do not come the visions from outside to inside too.
Bardo by Hearing advices: "Know that what you see, does not come from outside ".

Know a story of a friend of mine , whose brother was one time incarcerated in Alcatraz.
Well this person was sometimes punished with isolation in the dark room in the basement.
There was no light at all, but this man found it an amusing time to be there.This because he saw there many coloured visions.
But this man had not at all experience with Dzogchen Visions, whereas his brother after 25 years had that experience.

It means everybody has sometimes these visions, but nearly nobody knows what it is.
:good: Good explanation of what happens and why stable awareness is necessary to make it work as one taste. This is also called, "Being content with what arises." Otherwise you are carried away by the visions. Good advice for the Bardo.

Yes, this is the same when using the blue sky as a medium, or what may appear in tigles.

The main point for practice is to relax with awareness and be content with anything that arises or doesn't arise. That said, there was one very experienced practitioner who tried the dark retreat and found it to be too overwhelming. He left after one hour. This is quite correct as this practice is not for everyone.

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Re: Seeing in the Dark

Post by kalden yungdrung » Tue Nov 06, 2018 10:02 am

oldbob wrote:
Mon Nov 05, 2018 11:14 pm


:good: Good explanation of what happens and why stable awareness is necessary to make it work as one taste. This is also called, "Being content with what arises." Otherwise you are carried away by the visions. Good advice for the Bardo.

Yes, this is the same when using the blue sky as a medium, or what may appear in tigles.

The main point for practice is to relax with awareness and be content with anything that arises or doesn't arise. That said, there was one very experienced practitioner who tried the dark retreat and found it to be too overwhelming. He left after one hour. This is quite correct as this practice is not for everyone.

If you really don't like the show you can change the channel.

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Tashi delek OB,

Like with every practice and also here with the dark retreat, one should do it without special expectations.

At the Bardo we can get confused if we don´t recognize these visions as coming form ourselves.
That was always the point of delusion and the reason for wandering in cycle existence, the reason for cyclic existence or dualism.

If the visions are difficult sometimes to arise, i stop and do the special Thödgal Yoga one more time.
In fact i do these exercises / yoga always before i start with the practice / yoga and also during the practise.

The quality and the emergence are improved by that.


Regarding the dark retreat, one can leave it at any moment. It is not so fixed as a closed 3 year retreat, which has to be finished non stop.

So if we leave the 49 days retreat , then we can pick it up where we left it.

Agree without the special Dzogchen preliminaries like the outer / inner and secret Kordo Rushen ,
the special Yoga exercises, a dark retreat will not last long.

But in general for a serious Dzogchenpa, the dark retreat is a good preparation for the Bardo of Dying, because of the visions in the Bardo of dying, which have the same structure as during the dark retreat.

So the recognition aspect is then better secured with the experience of Dark Retreat, when dwelling in the Bardo of Dying. And that recognition aspect can mean Liberation in the Bardo.

Recognition can also be obtained by the Bardo Thrödol, when some persons (of lower realization) forgot that what they have learned in this live, then repeating again and again the text of the Bardo Thrödol can cause again recognition of these overwhelming visions, which can be as strong as 1000 suns.

Best wishes and a nice day.
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