Well the pragmatic side of Nature are / can be many , limitlessMiroku wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 10:06 pmYes, however you are not getting the pragmatics of this situation (from linguistical point of view). We are talking about visualisation and its connection to/usage in dzogchen teachings. That means that either it is about visualisation from the point of view of it or visualisation as in anuyoga practices with dzogchen as the completion stage.kalden yungdrung wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 9:14 pm
Semdzins and Kordo Rushens are meant as preliminaries. Then follows non dual awareness.
So that nondual awareness that is the core of Dzogchen meditation which is non meditation.
That State goes beyond other states, so it was teached and so it was clearly understood and realised by myself
That means i am not partly correct but fully correct.
One can also obtain the non dual State without the practise of the Kordo Rushens and Semdzin, is for the highest level of Understanding Students.
All in all i see clear difference in the Abidng of the Natural State and the non abiding,
As non abiding i see Tantra and that was here finally meant and not the Kordo Rushens and Semdzin as your example.
So although your answer is correct and very appreciated, it is out of the bowl.
Anyway I am going off topic, so sorry for this.
The illusionary side of all these visualisations are in the Natural State senseless
if we keep them for what they are, they are illusion
Illusions are in Dzogchen Natural State not welcome
Guess as such we can approach all those visualisations, and many THINK that is beneficial for the Dzogchen practise
They can be right according their level of understanding, but others see that as senseless