kalden yungdrung wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 9:28 pmThe point is just that Tantra is not necessary for to be Dzogchenpa that is the core here.Johnny Dangerous wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 7:48 pmkalden yungdrung wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 4:13 pm
Well he also states that we have 3 level of students, according their level of understanding.
This is not applicable for the highest level of understanding students.
Agree if confusion and bad karma is great then one must start down on the ladder
But also here counts that Dzogchen is highest goal.
So in Bon is Dzogchen known in Sutra ,Tantra as preliminary to Dzogchen.It actually seems to be saying the opposite of what you are saying.Yongdzin Rinpoche wrote: But don't think an advanced practitioner (who does other things) doesn 't support Dzogchen; he / she is already an advanced practitioner of Dzogchen. But besides that, according to the situation, his neighbours or family etc, he does something.
Always this discussion is basically a contest of who is the most "advanced" practitioner. How people can even engage in such a conversation with a straight face is beyond me. If one is self-identifying as the highest level of practitioner, so advanced that they can speak this way without it qualifying as simply disparaging the lower vehicles...there's a lot to unpack there, to say the least.
As a student of ChNN, I also was taught that uncommon ngondro etc. is not necessary, so a lot of this not controversial to me at all. However, that is different than saying one might as well not do it. As it's said, practices are like patches on clothes, we are continually applying them until they fall off and we apply another etc.
Then this so called Tantra teacher is sure a Dzogchenpa IF he teaches Tantra in the world of Bön.
If there are Tantrikas in Bön who don´t practise Dzogchen ? Yes possible maybe, i don´t know here examples.
But that isn't the support of his View, it is not his main practice.
There are Dzogchenpas who don´t teach / practise Tantra at all , like myself.
Reason i don´t have time for that , i can bypass that easy and without problems.
"Not necessary" is not the same as "contrary to".