Perhaps because Trisong Detsen thought that it would be beneficial for Tibet to have both major streams of Dzogchen transmission? I’m not sure.
Malcolm wrote:I have no issue with people saying that Jesus is my lord and savior, likewise, I don't believe it, just as I don't believe that Tonpa Shenrab came to Tibet in the middle of the last ice age.
Well I have issue with it, because I personally believe that believin’ in “Jesus” is pretty silly for the most part. But I generally live and let live regarding said belief. I mean the man known as Jesus if he existed, could have been to India and Tibet as some claim, and could he be been a genuine Bodhisattva; and that would be a great thing if it were true, but it is not relevant to my practice personally. And if Christianity is a Vehicle of Gods & Men helping people in samsara even a little bit, then that’s a good thing too. Likewise, if there is a esoteric Christianity in the Orthodox churches or Coptic, or Gnosticism etc. that can lead to the Body of Light, then even better. But again, not relevant to my practice.
Now Shenrab Miwoche appearing 18,000 years ago is not silly to me. And even though this may not be essential to my practice, I have no reason to disbelieve it, even if there is no concrete physical record of it.
Do we have more concrete evidence for the appearance of Tonpa Garab Dorje than we do for Tonpa Shenrab Miwoche? Maybe we do for Sri Simha, yet not necessarily for Tonpa Garab Dorje, even though I personally believe that the latter appeared at one time as well.
Malcolm wrote:I’ve never had an anti-Bon stance. I just don’t accept certain bonpo claims about the history of Bon, and that often makes bonpos upset. I also don’t accept certain claims in traditional Buddhist history, this also makes some Buddhists upset. So you should understand I upset everyone, Bon and Buddhist alike.
To me Dzogchen does allow for two Supreme Nirmāṇakāya‘s.
To me Namkhai Norbu Rinpoche is not being overly generous towards Bön at all, whether for Tibetan nationalist reasons or otherwise.
As I posted a few posts ago:
“And the origin of Dzogchen in the current Kalpa or Mahakakpa according to the Dzogchen Tantras is Khyeu Nangwa Dampa; who appeared much longer ago than Tonpa Shenrab Miwoche’s appearance 4,000 or 18,000 years ago.
Both Bönpo’s and Nyingmapa’s should have no problem with any of this.”
Nyingmapa’s and Dzogchen Community members can continue to hold that Dzogchen in this kalpa or mahakalpa began with Tonpa Khyeu Nangwa Dampa. Bönpo’s can continue to hold that Dzogchen for them began 18,000 years ago with Tonpa Shenrab Miwoche. And everyone is happy.
The other more minor details such as Zhangzhung Garab, Sangwa Dupa and the Buddha Sakyamuni, Guru Padmasambhava’s relation to Drenpa Namkha, Vairotsana, etc., Nyingmapa’s and Bönpo’s can simply agree to disagree and move on.