Shitro practice and Five Dhjani Buddhas

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Shitro practice and Five Dhjani Buddhas

Post by Sumeru » Mon May 11, 2020 7:34 pm

Hi,
These days I do a shitro practice every day for my dead relative, and I wonder when I send lights from peaceful deities toward that person, if the five dhjani buddhas with families in the centre of my body are in particular directions?

Vairocana of course would be in the center, then we have Aksobhya in the east, Ratnasambhawa in the south Amitabha in the west and Amoghasiddhi in the north. In that case, facing forward, which one would be in the front?

There is a clear explanation of this when we do Mandarava practice, in Shitro I don’t know. Please help.

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Re: Shitro practice and Five Dhjani Buddhas

Post by javier.espinoza.t » Mon May 11, 2020 8:15 pm

Sumeru wrote:
Mon May 11, 2020 7:34 pm
Hi,
These days I do a shitro practice every day for my dead relative, and I wonder when I send lights from peaceful deities toward that person, if the five dhjani buddhas with families in the centre of my body are in particular directions?

Vairocana of course would be in the center, then we have Aksobhya in the east, Ratnasambhawa in the south Amitabha in the west and Amoghasiddhi in the north. In that case, facing forward, which one would be in the front?

There is a clear explanation of this when we do Mandarava practice, in Shitro I don’t know. Please help.
in the middle is samantabhadra and samantabhadri, and in front is vajra family. the rest you can deduce.

keep up that practice, do your best.

i think to post this is of no harm.

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Re: Shitro practice and Five Dhjani Buddhas

Post by Sumeru » Mon May 11, 2020 10:07 pm

javier.espinoza.t wrote:
Mon May 11, 2020 8:15 pm
in the middle is samantabhadra and samantabhadri, and in front is vajra family. the rest you can deduce.
I've just remembered and checked that in description of the refuge tree, the east branch is also in the front, so it corresponds, thanks. But where would Vairocana be then?

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Re: Shitro practice and Five Dhjani Buddhas

Post by Sennin » Mon May 11, 2020 10:14 pm

Sumeru wrote:
Mon May 11, 2020 10:07 pm
javier.espinoza.t wrote:
Mon May 11, 2020 8:15 pm
in the middle is samantabhadra and samantabhadri, and in front is vajra family. the rest you can deduce.
I've just remembered and checked that in description of the refuge tree, the east branch is also in the front, so it corresponds, thanks. But where would Vairocana be then?
In the center.

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Re: Shitro practice and Five Dhjani Buddhas

Post by javier.espinoza.t » Mon May 11, 2020 10:22 pm

Sumeru wrote:
Mon May 11, 2020 10:07 pm
javier.espinoza.t wrote:
Mon May 11, 2020 8:15 pm
in the middle is samantabhadra and samantabhadri, and in front is vajra family. the rest you can deduce.
I've just remembered and checked that in description of the refuge tree, the east branch is also in the front, so it corresponds, thanks. But where would Vairocana be then?
if you are applying Mingyur Dorje's shitro according to ChNN's transmission then in clock-wise sense: in front vajra, then buddha, ratna, padma, karma, to find vajra again. if one have capacity and can use colors is good, but name is a minucia.

otherwise i don't know.

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Re: Shitro practice and Five Dhjani Buddhas

Post by Sennin » Mon May 11, 2020 11:02 pm

javier.espinoza.t wrote:
Mon May 11, 2020 10:22 pm
Sumeru wrote:
Mon May 11, 2020 10:07 pm
javier.espinoza.t wrote:
Mon May 11, 2020 8:15 pm
in the middle is samantabhadra and samantabhadri, and in front is vajra family. the rest you can deduce.
I've just remembered and checked that in description of the refuge tree, the east branch is also in the front, so it corresponds, thanks. But where would Vairocana be then?
if you are applying Mingyur Dorje's shitro according to ChNN's transmission then in clock-wise sense: in front vajra, then buddha, ratna, padma, karma, to find vajra again. if one have capacity and can use colors is good, but name is a minucia.

otherwise i don't know.
Vairocana is in the center of the mandala with Samantabhadra in the center of Vairocana heart.

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Re: Shitro practice and Five Dhjani Buddhas

Post by javier.espinoza.t » Tue May 12, 2020 12:00 am

Sennin wrote:
Mon May 11, 2020 11:02 pm
javier.espinoza.t wrote:
Mon May 11, 2020 10:22 pm
Sumeru wrote:
Mon May 11, 2020 10:07 pm

I've just remembered and checked that in description of the refuge tree, the east branch is also in the front, so it corresponds, thanks. But where would Vairocana be then?
if you are applying Mingyur Dorje's shitro according to ChNN's transmission then in clock-wise sense: in front vajra, then buddha, ratna, padma, karma, to find vajra again. if one have capacity and can use colors is good, but name is a minucia.

otherwise i don't know.
Vairocana is in the center of the mandala with Samantabhadra in the center of Vairocana heart.
well i haven't hear it, you hear it from ChNN? maybe someone could check please so this can be corrected?

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Re: Shitro practice and Five Dhjani Buddhas

Post by Sennin » Tue May 12, 2020 2:41 am

javier.espinoza.t wrote:
Tue May 12, 2020 12:00 am
Sennin wrote:
Mon May 11, 2020 11:02 pm
javier.espinoza.t wrote:
Mon May 11, 2020 10:22 pm


if you are applying Mingyur Dorje's shitro according to ChNN's transmission then in clock-wise sense: in front vajra, then buddha, ratna, padma, karma, to find vajra again. if one have capacity and can use colors is good, but name is a minucia.

otherwise i don't know.
Vairocana is in the center of the mandala with Samantabhadra in the center of Vairocana heart.
well i haven't hear it, you hear it from ChNN? maybe someone could check please so this can be corrected?
TEACHINGS ON SHITRO AND YANGTI
I'll pm you. I've probably already said too much.

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Re: Shitro practice and Five Dhjani Buddhas

Post by javier.espinoza.t » Tue May 12, 2020 4:17 am

Sennin wrote:
Tue May 12, 2020 2:41 am
javier.espinoza.t wrote:
Tue May 12, 2020 12:00 am
Sennin wrote:
Mon May 11, 2020 11:02 pm


Vairocana is in the center of the mandala with Samantabhadra in the center of Vairocana heart.
well i haven't hear it, you hear it from ChNN? maybe someone could check please so this can be corrected?
TEACHINGS ON SHITRO AND YANGTI
I'll pm you. I've probably already said too much.
right.

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Re: Shitro practice and Five Dhjani Buddhas

Post by Sumeru » Tue May 12, 2020 7:05 am

javier.espinoza.t wrote:
Tue May 12, 2020 4:17 am
Sennin wrote:
Tue May 12, 2020 2:41 am
javier.espinoza.t wrote:
Tue May 12, 2020 12:00 am


well i haven't hear it, you hear it from ChNN? maybe someone could check please so this can be corrected?
TEACHINGS ON SHITRO AND YANGTI
I'll pm you. I've probably already said too much.
right.
Yep, all in the book. Thank you guys.

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Re: Shitro practice and Five Dhjani Buddhas

Post by javier.espinoza.t » Tue May 12, 2020 7:19 pm

Sumeru wrote:
Tue May 12, 2020 7:05 am
javier.espinoza.t wrote:
Tue May 12, 2020 4:17 am
Sennin wrote:
Tue May 12, 2020 2:41 am


TEACHINGS ON SHITRO AND YANGTI
I'll pm you. I've probably already said too much.
right.
Yep, all in the book. Thank you guys.
i just checked the oral teachings and is as i mentioned. in the shitro explanation video is around min 8:30. Maybe in the book Teachings on Shitro and Yanti also shows the way Sennin says, we should check that too.

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Re: Shitro practice and Five Dhjani Buddhas

Post by Sennin » Tue May 12, 2020 8:01 pm

javier.espinoza.t wrote:
Tue May 12, 2020 7:19 pm
Sumeru wrote:
Tue May 12, 2020 7:05 am
javier.espinoza.t wrote:
Tue May 12, 2020 4:17 am


right.
Yep, all in the book. Thank you guys.
i just checked the oral teachings and is as i mentioned. in the shitro explanation video is around min 8:30. Maybe in the book Teachings on Shitro and Yanti also shows the way Sennin says, we should check that too.
Maybe you misunderstood, in the mandala there is the center and the four directions. See page. 80 of the text.

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Re: Shitro practice and Five Dhjani Buddhas

Post by Sennin » Tue May 12, 2020 8:07 pm

javier.espinoza.t wrote:
Mon May 11, 2020 10:22 pm
Sumeru wrote:
Mon May 11, 2020 10:07 pm
javier.espinoza.t wrote:
Mon May 11, 2020 8:15 pm
in the middle is samantabhadra and samantabhadri, and in front is vajra family. the rest you can deduce.
I've just remembered and checked that in description of the refuge tree, the east branch is also in the front, so it corresponds, thanks. But where would Vairocana be then?
if you are applying Mingyur Dorje's shitro according to ChNN's transmission then in clock-wise sense: in front vajra, then buddha, ratna, padma, karma, to find vajra again. if one have capacity and can use colors is good, but name is a minucia.

otherwise i don't know.
If vajra is east, ratna-south, padma-west, karma-north.
Then naturally buddha is in the center.

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Re: Shitro practice and Five Dhjani Buddhas

Post by javier.espinoza.t » Tue May 12, 2020 10:05 pm

Sennin wrote:
Tue May 12, 2020 8:01 pm
javier.espinoza.t wrote:
Tue May 12, 2020 7:19 pm
Sumeru wrote:
Tue May 12, 2020 7:05 am

Yep, all in the book. Thank you guys.
i just checked the oral teachings and is as i mentioned. in the shitro explanation video is around min 8:30. Maybe in the book Teachings on Shitro and Yanti also shows the way Sennin says, we should check that too.
Maybe you misunderstood, in the mandala there is the center and the four directions. See page. 80 of the text.
well, tell me the page so i can read. i just told where to find what i'm saying, literally Rinpoche saying it. i mean, maybe there are two ways, i'm not trying to discredit :P

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Re: Shitro practice and Five Dhjani Buddhas

Post by javier.espinoza.t » Wed May 13, 2020 12:36 am

javier.espinoza.t wrote:
Tue May 12, 2020 10:05 pm
Sennin wrote:
Tue May 12, 2020 8:01 pm
javier.espinoza.t wrote:
Tue May 12, 2020 7:19 pm


i just checked the oral teachings and is as i mentioned. in the shitro explanation video is around min 8:30. Maybe in the book Teachings on Shitro and Yanti also shows the way Sennin says, we should check that too.
Maybe you misunderstood, in the mandala there is the center and the four directions. See page. 80 of the text.
well, tell me the page so i can read. i just told where to find what i'm saying, literally Rinpoche saying it. i mean, maybe there are two ways, i'm not trying to discredit :P
you are right, p. 80

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Re: Shitro practice and Five Dhjani Buddhas

Post by Sennin » Wed May 13, 2020 6:33 am

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