Interesting paper on some early Dzogchen texts

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Interesting paper on some early Dzogchen texts

Post by Fa Dao » Sun May 24, 2020 9:23 pm

Thought some of you all might find this interesting...
From_treatise_to_tantra_the_Pure_Golden.pdf
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Re: Interesting paper on some early Dzogchen texts

Post by PeterC » Mon May 25, 2020 4:57 am

Does anyone know the author - is she considered a good translator?

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Re: Interesting paper on some early Dzogchen texts

Post by humble.student » Mon May 25, 2020 7:00 am

PeterC wrote:
Mon May 25, 2020 4:57 am
Does anyone know the author - is she considered a good translator?
Here's her site, with plenty of freely available translations, judge for yourself (if you have access to the originals or "authoritative" translations): http://www.zangthal.co.uk/files.html

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Re: Interesting paper on some early Dzogchen texts

Post by Wayfarer » Mon May 25, 2020 8:18 am

Excellent site and bio. Looks like a formidable scholar.
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Re: Interesting paper on some early Dzogchen texts

Post by lelopa » Mon May 25, 2020 8:47 am

she doesn't translate "rDo la gser zhun" as "written with gold on stone"
that's good - but I wouldn't translate it as "Pure Golden Ore " either :smile:
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Re: Interesting paper on some early Dzogchen texts

Post by Malcolm » Mon May 25, 2020 4:34 pm

lelopa wrote:
Mon May 25, 2020 8:47 am
she doesn't translate "rDo la gser zhun" as "written with gold on stone"
that's good - but I wouldn't translate it as "Pure Golden Ore " either :smile:
Mipham glosses the title in this way:

[T]he intimate instruction of how to meditate is the treatise exemplified by a skilled smith smelting the element of gold in gold ore into liquid, meaning that it is actually extracted...

This leads to the title, "Smelting the Gold from Ore"

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Re: Interesting paper on some early Dzogchen texts

Post by lelopa » Tue May 26, 2020 6:58 am

Malcolm wrote:
Mon May 25, 2020 4:34 pm
lelopa wrote:
Mon May 25, 2020 8:47 am
she doesn't translate "rDo la gser zhun" as "written with gold on stone"
that's good - but I wouldn't translate it as "Pure Golden Ore " either :smile:
Mipham glosses the title in this way:

[T]he intimate instruction of how to meditate is the treatise exemplified by a skilled smith smelting the element of gold in gold ore into liquid, meaning that it is actually extracted...

This leads to the title, "Smelting the Gold from Ore"
ChNN used "extracting" for "zhun" if I remember well.....
but smelting is (with metal in ore) nearly the same.
Even "pulling out" seems better than "written with gold on stone"
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