After Recognition of Nature of Mind...

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After Recognition of Nature of Mind...

Post by Lhasa » Wed May 27, 2020 4:03 pm

is there any further need for empowerments?

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Re: After Recognition of Nature of Mind...

Post by heart » Wed May 27, 2020 4:05 pm

Lhasa wrote:
Wed May 27, 2020 4:03 pm
is there any further need for empowerments?
That is between you and your teacher.

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Post by javier.espinoza.t » Thu May 28, 2020 3:44 am

Lhasa wrote:
Wed May 27, 2020 4:03 pm
is there any further need for empowerments?
it depends on what you decide to do.

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Post by lelopa » Thu May 28, 2020 4:06 am

After Recognition of Nature of Mind...
...is integration important!
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Post by Grigoris » Thu May 28, 2020 8:04 am

Lhasa wrote:
Wed May 27, 2020 4:03 pm
is there any further need for empowerments?
You recognised the nature of mind after one empowerment?
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Post by javier.espinoza.t » Thu May 28, 2020 2:23 pm

Grigoris wrote:
Thu May 28, 2020 8:04 am
Lhasa wrote:
Wed May 27, 2020 4:03 pm
is there any further need for empowerments?
You recognised the nature of mind after one empowerment?

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hahaha, that's so rare..

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Post by Lhasa » Thu May 28, 2020 4:23 pm

Grigoris wrote:
Thu May 28, 2020 8:04 am
Lhasa wrote:
Wed May 27, 2020 4:03 pm
is there any further need for empowerments?
You recognised the nature of mind after one empowerment?

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No

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Post by Grigoris » Thu May 28, 2020 6:15 pm

Lhasa wrote:
Thu May 28, 2020 4:23 pm
No.
So why are you asking? For a friend?
"My religion is not deceiving myself."
Jetsun Milarepa 1052-1135 CE

"Butchers, prostitutes, those guilty of the five most heinous crimes, outcasts, the underprivileged: all are utterly the substance of existence and nothing other than total bliss."
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The Fundamental Tantra of Dzogchen Semde

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Post by mandog » Thu May 28, 2020 6:57 pm

Grigoris wrote:
Thu May 28, 2020 6:15 pm
Lhasa wrote:
Thu May 28, 2020 4:23 pm
No.
So why are you asking? For a friend?
I don't think that is what he is asking at all.

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Post by Tata1 » Thu May 28, 2020 11:56 pm

mandog wrote:
Thu May 28, 2020 6:57 pm
Grigoris wrote:
Thu May 28, 2020 6:15 pm
Lhasa wrote:
Thu May 28, 2020 4:23 pm
No.
So why are you asking? For a friend?
I don't think that is what he is asking at all.
Yeah nothing to do with the thread

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Post by Danny » Fri May 29, 2020 12:14 am

javier.espinoza.t wrote:
Thu May 28, 2020 2:23 pm
Grigoris wrote:
Thu May 28, 2020 8:04 am
Lhasa wrote:
Wed May 27, 2020 4:03 pm
is there any further need for empowerments?
You recognised the nature of mind after one empowerment?

impressed.jpg
hahaha, that's so rare..
There are historical precidents. I think the poster was asking a question on epistimology, the nature of knowledge itself and if ripening enriching etc empowerments were superfluece after such a moment. Or is the moment temporary and subject to entropy over time.

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Re: After Recognition of Nature of Mind...

Post by Johnny Dangerous » Fri May 29, 2020 12:14 am

Deciding upon one thing and one thing only.

Confidence directly in the liberation of rising thoughts.

..I mean, that's what we are supposed to do at that point, any practice can technically serve such purposes, and only our teachers and ourselves can figure out the individual recipe.

The second one above is what I am focusing on, because it is where the rubber meets the road.
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Post by Danny » Fri May 29, 2020 1:34 am

Danny wrote:
Fri May 29, 2020 12:14 am


superfluece
Superfluous ---- damn autotype....

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Post by Danny » Fri May 29, 2020 2:50 am

Johnny Dangerous wrote:
Fri May 29, 2020 12:14 am
Deciding upon one thing and one thing only.


Sure,
Know one thing know all things.
There's loads of interpretations of the three statements, when you read the original testaments of the knowledge holders written by manjushrimitra on Prahevajras three words striking the vital point, translated by Erik Kunsang....

Recognizing your own nature
Deciding on one point, and
Gaining confidence in liberation.

{ it follows on the decide point that..}

Decide diversity within your nature
Decide your displays within oneness.
Decide doubts within liberation. ITHI

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Post by javier.espinoza.t » Fri May 29, 2020 2:55 am

Danny wrote:
Fri May 29, 2020 12:14 am
javier.espinoza.t wrote:
Thu May 28, 2020 2:23 pm
Grigoris wrote:
Thu May 28, 2020 8:04 am
You recognised the nature of mind after one empowerment?

impressed.jpg
hahaha, that's so rare..
There are historical precidents. I think the poster was asking a question on epistimology, the nature of knowledge itself and if ripening enriching etc empowerments were superfluece after such a moment. Or is the moment temporary and subject to entropy over time.

Regards
if you want to keep your dicovery to yourself then you can throw away dharma, it's transmissions and initiations. otherwise dharma, etc. are useful.

for example ChNN did all what he did because of boddhicita and by means of dharma, transmissions and initiations, etc.

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Re: After Recognition of Nature of Mind...

Post by Danny » Fri May 29, 2020 3:02 am

javier.espinoza.t wrote:
Fri May 29, 2020 2:55 am
Danny wrote:
Fri May 29, 2020 12:14 am
javier.espinoza.t wrote:
Thu May 28, 2020 2:23 pm


hahaha, that's so rare..
There are historical precidents. I think the poster was asking a question on epistimology, the nature of knowledge itself and if ripening enriching etc empowerments were superfluece after such a moment. Or is the moment temporary and subject to entropy over time.

Regards
if you want to keep your dicovery to yourself then you can throw away dharma, it's transmissions and initiations. otherwise dharma, etc. are useful.

for example ChNN did all what he did because of boddhicita and by means of dharma, transmissions and initiations, etc.
Yes, I recal rinpoche mentioned this once. He also said in advice that he gave lungs not to ask people you must to do those practices but in case one day you might need them.



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Post by PeterC » Fri May 29, 2020 5:37 pm

Danny wrote:
Fri May 29, 2020 2:50 am
Johnny Dangerous wrote:
Fri May 29, 2020 12:14 am
Deciding upon one thing and one thing only.


Sure,
Know one thing know all things.
There's loads of interpretations of the three statements, when you read the original testaments of the knowledge holders written by manjushrimitra on Prahevajras three words striking the vital point, translated by Erik Kunsang....

Recognizing your own nature
Deciding on one point, and
Gaining confidence in liberation.

{ it follows on the decide point that..}

Decide diversity within your nature
Decide your displays within oneness.
Decide doubts within liberation. ITHI

Regards


Or just read one of the major commentaries on it to explain the meaning of those statements

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Re: After Recognition of Nature of Mind...

Post by Danny » Fri May 29, 2020 5:58 pm

Hi Pete, I don't know.

Garab Dorje didn't say.
And that circles back to the OP's question.
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Re: After Recognition of Nature of Mind...

Post by Danny » Fri May 29, 2020 6:10 pm

I guess it depends on if you view Dzogchen through the lens of the Buddhist sciences, and like the approaches and compartmental stages and empowerments and so on. That's fine. Maybe it's teased out over the centuries as the orthodox way and it's somewhere inherent within and effort is required. I don't know, and not really sure at this point if I'm all that interested.

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Re: After Recognition of Nature of Mind...

Post by Malcolm » Fri May 29, 2020 6:26 pm

Danny wrote:
Fri May 29, 2020 6:10 pm
I guess it depends on if you view Dzogchen through the lens of the Buddhist sciences, and like the approaches and compartmental stages and empowerments and so on. That's fine. Maybe it's teased out over the centuries as the orthodox way and it's somewhere inherent within and effort is required. I don't know, and not really sure at this point if I'm all that interested.
When one understands Dzogchen as the basis, then these qualms vanish. Some people need a gradual introduction; others do not. But the measure of the practitioner, whether they use a gradual approach or a nongradual approach, is how often they are distracted from their primordial state a.k.a the basis or not, and thus, how much they are dominated by mind and its attendant karma and afflictions or not.

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