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If one is doing Ngondro in one tradition, is it still a good idea to make use of an opportunity for direct introduction with a teacher from another lineage?
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LhakpaT wrote: Fri Jun 12, 2020 3:18 pm If one is doing Ngondro in one tradition, is it still a good idea to make use of an opportunity for direct introduction with a teacher from another lineage?
Sure.

You can have many teachers from different schools, all can be condensed into guru yoga. No problems

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Yup definitely. Ngöndro can only help and DI can also only help. There should not be much problem. Some teachers even combine mahamudra pointing out nad dzogchen DI with the ngöndro.
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LhakpaT wrote: Fri Jun 12, 2020 3:18 pm If one is doing Ngondro in one tradition, is it still a good idea to make use of an opportunity for direct introduction with a teacher from another lineage?
Without a doubt!
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One should take every opportunity to have the nature of mind pointed out, and should practice diligently until one gets it. Because without practice it’s like writing on water
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LhakpaT wrote: Fri Jun 12, 2020 3:18 pm If one is doing Ngondro in one tradition, is it still a good idea to make use of an opportunity for direct introduction with a teacher from another lineage?
Absolutely!

This very thing has been discussed by a few of my teachers, actually. Since we never really know the causes and conditions and dharma connections we have had in the past, another teacher may often turn out to be one's root guru, which is the one who points out mind's nature. Since there is only one, should we limit ourselves?

Devotion plays a big role, so if you have devotion for the teacher, who is able to give the introduction, then perhaps the causes and conditions will come together at that time?

Chokyi Nyima Rinpoche also gave the advice of not only really cultivating renunciation and bodhicitta, but he said one should also constantly make the wish "may I recognize my mind's nature" over and over.

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LhakpaT wrote: Fri Jun 12, 2020 3:18 pm If one is doing Ngondro in one tradition, is it still a good idea to make use of an opportunity for direct introduction with a teacher from another lineage?
Definitely, if one has trust and devotion in that other lama. That is the absolute most important thing aside from bodhichitta, with which it's on par. Empowerment, especially Dzogchen empowerment, isn't the kind of thing one just decides one wants, that one then gets from the first lama to offer it without knowing them from Adam, and then one goes on about one's merry way and leaves that guru in the dust like they were just a delivery person.

Nothing you said implied you think like this, so it's not an accusation, only advice on the off chance you didn't know this.
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Sorry, I’m going to demur from the consensus...
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LhakpaT wrote: Fri Jun 12, 2020 3:18 pm If one is doing Ngondro in one tradition, is it still a good idea to make use of an opportunity for direct introduction with a teacher from another lineage?
Nature of mind doesnt have a "school", so yes.
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Simon E. wrote: Wed Jun 17, 2020 8:36 pm Sorry, I’m going to demur from the consensus...
Could you elaborate?
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