Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

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Re: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Post by Pero » Thu Nov 23, 2017 7:40 pm

heart wrote:
Thu Nov 23, 2017 5:43 pm
Pero wrote:
Thu Nov 23, 2017 5:11 pm
heart wrote:
Thu Nov 23, 2017 4:05 pm


It is a very interesting book. Also, I recently read "The Life and Times of Jamyang Khyentse Chökyi Lodrö" where one gets to hear "the other side" of the story of how come Khyentse Chökyi Wangchug left Dzongsar and Khyentse Chökyi Lodrö moved in at Dzongsar.

/magnus
Wish you hadn't mentioned that. I took a look and now just feel more disgusted with tulku businesses.
It is really just Tibetan business in the end,

/magnus
I suppose you're right.
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Re: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Post by Pero » Thu Nov 23, 2017 7:46 pm

Malcolm wrote:
Thu Nov 23, 2017 6:43 pm
treehuggingoctopus wrote:
Thu Nov 23, 2017 6:41 pm
Here, you mean:
https://www.amazon.com/Times-Jamyang-Kh ... 1611803772
?
Yeah, pg. 32 onwards until end. When you compare with ChNN's account, seems to be a huge difference of opinion about Chago Tobden's devotion to Heka Lingpa.
That's not the only difference. By reading OT''s account you get the impression Uncle Khyentse (of apparently questionable recognition to some) was just some ordinary dude who chanced into luxury etc.
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Re: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Post by treehuggingoctopus » Thu Nov 23, 2017 7:59 pm

Pero wrote:
Thu Nov 23, 2017 7:40 pm
heart wrote:
Thu Nov 23, 2017 5:43 pm
Pero wrote:
Thu Nov 23, 2017 5:11 pm

Wish you hadn't mentioned that. I took a look and now just feel more disgusted with tulku businesses.
It is really just Tibetan business in the end,

/magnus
I suppose you're right.
But then ChNN does want us to read his book, does he not?
. . . there they saw a rock! But it wasn't a rock . . .

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Re: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Post by Malcolm » Thu Nov 23, 2017 8:09 pm

Pero wrote:
Thu Nov 23, 2017 7:46 pm
Malcolm wrote:
Thu Nov 23, 2017 6:43 pm
treehuggingoctopus wrote:
Thu Nov 23, 2017 6:41 pm
Here, you mean:
https://www.amazon.com/Times-Jamyang-Kh ... 1611803772
?
Yeah, pg. 32 onwards until end. When you compare with ChNN's account, seems to be a huge difference of opinion about Chago Tobden's devotion to Heka Lingpa.
That's not the only difference. By reading OT''s account you get the impression Uncle Khyentse (of apparently questionable recognition to some) was just some ordinary dude who chanced into luxury etc.
Yup.
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-- Ārya-adhyāśaya-sañcodana-nāma-mahāyāna-sūtra

The different sūtras in accord with the emptiness
taught by the Sugata are definitive in meaning;
One can understand that all of those Dharmas in
which a sentient being, individual, or person are taught are provisional in meaning.

-- Samadhirāja Sūtra

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Re: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Post by Pero » Thu Nov 23, 2017 8:22 pm

treehuggingoctopus wrote:
Thu Nov 23, 2017 7:59 pm
Pero wrote:
Thu Nov 23, 2017 7:40 pm
heart wrote:
Thu Nov 23, 2017 5:43 pm


It is really just Tibetan business in the end,

/magnus
I suppose you're right.
But then ChNN does want us to read his book, does he not?
Sure.
Although many individuals in this age appear to be merely indulging their worldly desires, one does not have the capacity to judge them, so it is best to train in pure vision.
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Re: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Post by csmorg96 » Fri Nov 24, 2017 3:23 am

Does any one have any info about the upcoming Ati Yoga retreat at Dzamling Gar this December? The website does seem to have any other information about the retreat outside of the date.

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Post by dharmafootsteps » Fri Nov 24, 2017 6:15 am

Is it appropriate to have images of the guardians and Guru Tragphur, Simhamukha on the shrine in my room, to assist with visualisation in thun practice?

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Post by krodha » Fri Nov 24, 2017 7:27 am

dharmafootsteps wrote:
Fri Nov 24, 2017 6:15 am
Is it appropriate to have images of the guardians and Guru Tragphur, Simhamukha on the shrine in my room, to assist with visualisation in thun practice?
Yes.

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Post by MiphamFan » Fri Nov 24, 2017 9:23 am

If defending Lakar wasn't enough reason not to receive teachings from Tobgyal then this is.

I trust ChNN over some second-hand rumours Tobgyal heard.

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Post by Aryjna » Fri Nov 24, 2017 11:48 am

csmorg96 wrote:
Fri Nov 24, 2017 3:23 am
Does any one have any info about the upcoming Ati Yoga retreat at Dzamling Gar this December? The website does seem to have any other information about the retreat outside of the date.
I also want to know, mostly about the drubchen. According to the calendar, it will be combined with the losar celebration, but two weeks seems very long. Is there some information from previous years about what to expect more or less? I am not sure it will be possible to attend the whole two-week event.

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Re: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Post by dharmafootsteps » Fri Nov 24, 2017 1:22 pm

krodha wrote:
Fri Nov 24, 2017 7:27 am
dharmafootsteps wrote:
Fri Nov 24, 2017 6:15 am
Is it appropriate to have images of the guardians and Guru Tragphur, Simhamukha on the shrine in my room, to assist with visualisation in thun practice?
Yes.
Great, thank you.

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Post by Fa Dao » Fri Nov 24, 2017 5:29 pm

Pero wrote:
Thu Nov 23, 2017 7:46 pm
Malcolm wrote:
Thu Nov 23, 2017 6:43 pm
treehuggingoctopus wrote:
Thu Nov 23, 2017 6:41 pm
Here, you mean:
https://www.amazon.com/Times-Jamyang-Kh ... 1611803772
?
Yeah, pg. 32 onwards until end. When you compare with ChNN's account, seems to be a huge difference of opinion about Chago Tobden's devotion to Heka Lingpa.
That's not the only difference. By reading OT''s account you get the impression Uncle Khyentse (of apparently questionable recognition to some) was just some ordinary dude who chanced into luxury etc.
ok, so I ordered the book because Rinpoche recommends it...however, can anyone clue me in to the reason why he wants everyone to read it? Apparently there is a story going around that this version of events corrects?
"But if you know how to observe yourself, you will discover your real nature, the primordial state, the state of Guruyoga, and then all will become clear because you will have discovered everything"-Namkhai Norbu Rinpoche

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Re: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Post by Virgo » Fri Nov 24, 2017 5:32 pm

Fa Dao wrote:
Fri Nov 24, 2017 5:29 pm

ok, so I ordered the book because Rinpoche recommends it...however, can anyone clue me in to the reason why he wants everyone to read it? Apparently there is a story going around that this version of events corrects?
I would also like to know.

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Post by Malcolm » Fri Nov 24, 2017 5:45 pm

Fa Dao wrote:
Fri Nov 24, 2017 5:29 pm
Pero wrote:
Thu Nov 23, 2017 7:46 pm
Malcolm wrote:
Thu Nov 23, 2017 6:43 pm


Yeah, pg. 32 onwards until end. When you compare with ChNN's account, seems to be a huge difference of opinion about Chago Tobden's devotion to Heka Lingpa.
That's not the only difference. By reading OT''s account you get the impression Uncle Khyentse (of apparently questionable recognition to some) was just some ordinary dude who chanced into luxury etc.
ok, so I ordered the book because Rinpoche recommends it...however, can anyone clue me in to the reason why he wants everyone to read it? Apparently there is a story going around that this version of events corrects?
Perhaps it was brought to his attention that the book was not selling well and that there were many copies which had not been sold.
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འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


[A]nything at all that is well spoken is the word of the Buddha.

-- Ārya-adhyāśaya-sañcodana-nāma-mahāyāna-sūtra

The different sūtras in accord with the emptiness
taught by the Sugata are definitive in meaning;
One can understand that all of those Dharmas in
which a sentient being, individual, or person are taught are provisional in meaning.

-- Samadhirāja Sūtra

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Re: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Post by Pero » Fri Nov 24, 2017 5:52 pm

Fa Dao wrote:
Fri Nov 24, 2017 5:29 pm
Pero wrote:
Thu Nov 23, 2017 7:46 pm
Malcolm wrote:
Thu Nov 23, 2017 6:43 pm


Yeah, pg. 32 onwards until end. When you compare with ChNN's account, seems to be a huge difference of opinion about Chago Tobden's devotion to Heka Lingpa.
That's not the only difference. By reading OT''s account you get the impression Uncle Khyentse (of apparently questionable recognition to some) was just some ordinary dude who chanced into luxury etc.
ok, so I ordered the book because Rinpoche recommends it...however, can anyone clue me in to the reason why he wants everyone to read it? Apparently there is a story going around that this version of events corrects?
Not sure' about a story "going around" (although in the book preface it mentions the tensions are alive and well) but basically I think that it's because an incredible master like Uncle Khyentse was pretty much erased from Tibetan history due to power struggles between his and Khyentse Chokyi Lodro's attendants. We as his students also received teachings that come from Uncle Khyentse - Guru Tragphur and Vajrapani are his terma teachings (all other termas of his were lost if I remember right). So we should know about him and we can't really read about him anywhere else. That book on KCL's life is probably the only one that says something about it and if you read just that you could develop wrong views about Uncle Khyentse.

Doesn't mean Malcolm's reason can't be true as well haha.
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Post by Fa Dao » Fri Nov 24, 2017 6:02 pm

oh ok...well thats cool..if he thinks its a good read..good enough for me
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Post by Simon E. » Fri Nov 24, 2017 6:07 pm

Malcolm wrote:
Fri Nov 24, 2017 5:45 pm
Fa Dao wrote:
Fri Nov 24, 2017 5:29 pm
Pero wrote:
Thu Nov 23, 2017 7:46 pm

That's not the only difference. By reading OT''s account you get the impression Uncle Khyentse (of apparently questionable recognition to some) was just some ordinary dude who chanced into luxury etc.
ok, so I ordered the book because Rinpoche recommends it...however, can anyone clue me in to the reason why he wants everyone to read it? Apparently there is a story going around that this version of events corrects?
Perhaps it was brought to his attention that the book was not selling well and that there were many copies which had not been sold.

I'm glad it was not just me that thought occurred to.
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Post by Harimoo » Fri Nov 24, 2017 6:21 pm

Fa Dao wrote:
Fri Nov 24, 2017 5:29 pm
ok, so I ordered the book because Rinpoche recommends it...however, can anyone clue me in to the reason why he wants everyone to read it?
Because you've got to know the previous life of your future guru ?

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Post by Malcolm » Fri Nov 24, 2017 6:29 pm

Harimoo wrote:
Fri Nov 24, 2017 6:21 pm
Fa Dao wrote:
Fri Nov 24, 2017 5:29 pm
ok, so I ordered the book because Rinpoche recommends it...however, can anyone clue me in to the reason why he wants everyone to read it?
Because you've got to know the previous life of your future guru ?
Yeshe Namkhai is only the guru of those who choose to follow his teachings.
Buddhahood in This Life
འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


[A]nything at all that is well spoken is the word of the Buddha.

-- Ārya-adhyāśaya-sañcodana-nāma-mahāyāna-sūtra

The different sūtras in accord with the emptiness
taught by the Sugata are definitive in meaning;
One can understand that all of those Dharmas in
which a sentient being, individual, or person are taught are provisional in meaning.

-- Samadhirāja Sūtra

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Re: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Post by florin » Fri Nov 24, 2017 7:24 pm

Malcolm wrote:
Fri Nov 24, 2017 6:29 pm
Harimoo wrote:
Fri Nov 24, 2017 6:21 pm
Fa Dao wrote:
Fri Nov 24, 2017 5:29 pm
ok, so I ordered the book because Rinpoche recommends it...however, can anyone clue me in to the reason why he wants everyone to read it?
Because you've got to know the previous life of your future guru ?
Yeshe Namkhai is only the guru of those who choose to follow his teachings.
In an interview from 2010 rinpoche said that the future responsibilities for his longsal termas lie with his son.
The nature of diverse phenomena is non-dual. This means that both pure vision and impure vision are a manifestation of the energy of the primordial state. Even though in reality there is no duality, everything manifests separately. KG

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