Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

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Re: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Post by Motova » Tue Dec 12, 2017 5:27 pm

What transmissions are needed to practice the three practices located in the Guru Yoga book in the pages 109-114?

Thank you.
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Re: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Post by karma_lodro » Tue Dec 12, 2017 9:34 pm

Perhaps someone can help me with this one...

When participating in the Mandarava Drubchen retreat, is there a commitment that one should be there for the entirety of the retreat? The reason I ask is that obviously this does tend to be a requirement for drubchens in certain other lineages.

I have heard from a long-time DC member that it's ok to be there for e.g. just a week, ideally the first one, so that you can receive the instruction for the practice.

Nevertheless, I figure there's no harm in verifying this.

Thank you.

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Post by javier.espinoza.t » Fri Dec 15, 2017 12:49 am

Mandarava retreat at tenerife includes initiation and instructions?

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Re: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Post by javier.espinoza.t » Fri Dec 15, 2017 4:36 am

javier.espinoza.t wrote:
Fri Dec 15, 2017 12:49 am
Mandarava retreat at tenerife includes initiation and instructions?
I mean wangchen

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Re: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Post by heart » Fri Dec 15, 2017 5:57 am

javier.espinoza.t wrote:
Fri Dec 15, 2017 4:36 am
javier.espinoza.t wrote:
Fri Dec 15, 2017 12:49 am
Mandarava retreat at tenerife includes initiation and instructions?
I mean wangchen
It will for sure be instructions, but wangchen seems unlikely. I don't think there is a wangchen for mandarava, I never heard ChNNR talk about that.

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Re: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Post by heart » Fri Dec 15, 2017 6:00 am

Motova wrote:
Tue Dec 12, 2017 5:27 pm
What transmissions are needed to practice the three practices located in the Guru Yoga book in the pages 109-114?

Thank you.
If you done one of them with Rinpoche you can do it by yourself. Rinpoche normally do these introductions during retreats.

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Re: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Post by heart » Fri Dec 15, 2017 6:01 am

karma_lodro wrote:
Tue Dec 12, 2017 9:34 pm
Perhaps someone can help me with this one...

When participating in the Mandarava Drubchen retreat, is there a commitment that one should be there for the entirety of the retreat? The reason I ask is that obviously this does tend to be a requirement for drubchens in certain other lineages.

I have heard from a long-time DC member that it's ok to be there for e.g. just a week, ideally the first one, so that you can receive the instruction for the practice.

Nevertheless, I figure there's no harm in verifying this.

Thank you.
I would check with the organisers.

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Re: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Post by treehuggingoctopus » Fri Dec 15, 2017 8:33 pm

karma_lodro wrote:
Tue Dec 12, 2017 9:34 pm
Perhaps someone can help me with this one...

When participating in the Mandarava Drubchen retreat, is there a commitment that one should be there for the entirety of the retreat?
Unless this retreat is like no other Mandarava Drubchen (and I am fairly certain it is not), there is no commitment of the sort. You can drop by for a minute, an hour, a day or a week -- or stay for the entirety of the event.
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Re: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Post by Malcolm » Fri Dec 15, 2017 8:51 pm

heart wrote:
Fri Dec 15, 2017 5:57 am

It will for sure be instructions, but wangchen seems unlikely. I don't think there is a wangchen for mandarava, I never heard ChNNR talk about that.
Yes, there is in fact a dbang chen for Mandarava, but he gives it very rarely.
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Post by Pero » Fri Dec 15, 2017 8:59 pm

What's the difference between a dbang chen and regular dbang?
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Re: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Post by Mantrik » Fri Dec 15, 2017 9:34 pm

Malcolm wrote:
Fri Dec 15, 2017 8:51 pm
heart wrote:
Fri Dec 15, 2017 5:57 am

It will for sure be instructions, but wangchen seems unlikely. I don't think there is a wangchen for mandarava, I never heard ChNNR talk about that.
Yes, there is in fact a dbang chen for Mandarava, but he gives it very rarely.
Is that the one he gave in July 2012 (Mandarava as LYK) or Feb 2013 (Mandarava & Chudlen) ?
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Re: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Post by Malcolm » Fri Dec 15, 2017 9:39 pm

Pero wrote:
Fri Dec 15, 2017 8:59 pm
What's the difference between a dbang chen and regular dbang?
a dbang chen has a very elaborate section for the vase empowerment. This is main difference.
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འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


[A]nything at all that is well spoken is the word of the Buddha.

-- Ārya-adhyāśaya-sañcodana-nāma-mahāyāna-sūtra

The different sūtras in accord with the emptiness
taught by the Sugata are definitive in meaning;
One can understand that all of those Dharmas in
which a sentient being, individual, or person are taught are provisional in meaning.

-- Samadhirāja Sūtra

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Re: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Post by Pero » Fri Dec 15, 2017 10:45 pm

Malcolm wrote:
Fri Dec 15, 2017 9:39 pm
Pero wrote:
Fri Dec 15, 2017 8:59 pm
What's the difference between a dbang chen and regular dbang?
a dbang chen has a very elaborate section for the vase empowerment. This is main difference.
I see, thanks.
Although many individuals in this age appear to be merely indulging their worldly desires, one does not have the capacity to judge them, so it is best to train in pure vision.
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Re: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Post by Malcolm » Fri Dec 15, 2017 10:53 pm

Pero wrote:
Fri Dec 15, 2017 10:45 pm
Malcolm wrote:
Fri Dec 15, 2017 9:39 pm
Pero wrote:
Fri Dec 15, 2017 8:59 pm
What's the difference between a dbang chen and regular dbang?
a dbang chen has a very elaborate section for the vase empowerment. This is main difference.
I see, thanks.
Usually has a sand mandala or some kind of cloth mandala as well.
Buddhahood in This Life
འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


[A]nything at all that is well spoken is the word of the Buddha.

-- Ārya-adhyāśaya-sañcodana-nāma-mahāyāna-sūtra

The different sūtras in accord with the emptiness
taught by the Sugata are definitive in meaning;
One can understand that all of those Dharmas in
which a sentient being, individual, or person are taught are provisional in meaning.

-- Samadhirāja Sūtra

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Re: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Post by Motova » Fri Dec 15, 2017 11:13 pm

heart wrote:
Fri Dec 15, 2017 6:00 am
Motova wrote:
Tue Dec 12, 2017 5:27 pm
What transmissions are needed to practice the three practices located in the Guru Yoga book in the pages 109-114?

Thank you.
If you done one of them with Rinpoche you can do it by yourself. Rinpoche normally do these introductions during retreats.

/magnus
Thank you for the information.
Malcolm wrote:
Fri Jan 24, 2014 3:58 pm
The four means of converting beings to the Dharma are generosity (which itself as four aspects: giving material gifts, conferring fearlessness, loving kindness and teaching Dharma), pleasant speech, conduct and setting an example.

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Re: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Post by pael » Sat Dec 16, 2017 8:23 am

Malcolm wrote:
Fri Dec 15, 2017 9:39 pm
Pero wrote:
Fri Dec 15, 2017 8:59 pm
What's the difference between a dbang chen and regular dbang?
a dbang chen has a very elaborate section for the vase empowerment. This is main difference.
Do they webcast it?
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Re: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Post by Norwegian » Sat Dec 16, 2017 2:27 pm

pael wrote:
Sat Dec 16, 2017 8:23 am
Malcolm wrote:
Fri Dec 15, 2017 9:39 pm
Pero wrote:
Fri Dec 15, 2017 8:59 pm
What's the difference between a dbang chen and regular dbang?
a dbang chen has a very elaborate section for the vase empowerment. This is main difference.
Do they webcast it?
No. You have to attend the retreat for something like that.

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Re: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Post by Motova » Sat Dec 16, 2017 2:50 pm

What is required to do all the practices from the Dorje Drolo book?
Malcolm wrote:
Fri Jan 24, 2014 3:58 pm
The four means of converting beings to the Dharma are generosity (which itself as four aspects: giving material gifts, conferring fearlessness, loving kindness and teaching Dharma), pleasant speech, conduct and setting an example.

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Re: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Post by Norwegian » Sat Dec 16, 2017 3:26 pm

Motova wrote:
Sat Dec 16, 2017 2:50 pm
What is required to do all the practices from the Dorje Drolo book?
Having received the transmissions of it.

Rinpoche gave this teaching in 2012, where he gave the empowerment of the practice together with the transmissions, and of course instructions. In other retreats he only gives the transmission of the main mantra and the action mantra, which means you can utilize those two mantras and practice in the way of the Thun system. But you need transmission for the rest in order to do those practices.

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Re: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Post by Motova » Sat Dec 16, 2017 5:53 pm

Norwegian wrote:
Sat Dec 16, 2017 3:26 pm
Motova wrote:
Sat Dec 16, 2017 2:50 pm
What is required to do all the practices from the Dorje Drolo book?
Having received the transmissions of it.

Rinpoche gave this teaching in 2012, where he gave the empowerment of the practice together with the transmissions, and of course instructions. In other retreats he only gives the transmission of the main mantra and the action mantra, which means you can utilize those two mantras and practice in the way of the Thun system. But you need transmission for the rest in order to do those practices.
Thank you.
Malcolm wrote:
Fri Jan 24, 2014 3:58 pm
The four means of converting beings to the Dharma are generosity (which itself as four aspects: giving material gifts, conferring fearlessness, loving kindness and teaching Dharma), pleasant speech, conduct and setting an example.

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