Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

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Post by dharmafootsteps » Tue Apr 03, 2018 10:22 am

Interestingly I was talking to a student of Tsoknyi Rinpoche recently and learned that their group has a sadhana practice that not only includes Song of the Vajra (and the purification of the five elements), but uses the same melody. Tsoknyi Rinpoche presumably received it from ChNN though.

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Post by Miroku » Tue Apr 03, 2018 10:58 am

heart wrote:
Tue Apr 03, 2018 10:14 am
Miroku wrote:
Tue Apr 03, 2018 9:22 am
heart wrote:
Tue Apr 03, 2018 4:52 am


Yes, it is. But not with ChNNR's melody. Often a part of liberation of wearing mantras. Also there are several version.

/magnus
Yes, if I remember correctly the melody is really something special. It came to Rinpoche as a part of his Jnanadakiny dreams or it is from Jnanadakini. Either way it is special.
No, I think he got it from Ekajati in a dream.

/magnus
Oh, well I stand corrected then. :D Either way, it is special.
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Re: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Post by heart » Tue Apr 03, 2018 11:00 am

dharmafootsteps wrote:
Tue Apr 03, 2018 10:22 am
Interestingly I was talking to a student of Tsoknyi Rinpoche recently and learned that their group has a sadhana practice that not only includes Song of the Vajra (and the purification of the five elements), but uses the same melody. Tsoknyi Rinpoche presumably received it from ChNN though.
Interesting, what is the sadhana called?

/magnus
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Re: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Post by treehuggingoctopus » Tue Apr 03, 2018 11:32 am

heart wrote:
Tue Apr 03, 2018 11:00 am
dharmafootsteps wrote:
Tue Apr 03, 2018 10:22 am
Interestingly I was talking to a student of Tsoknyi Rinpoche recently and learned that their group has a sadhana practice that not only includes Song of the Vajra (and the purification of the five elements), but uses the same melody. Tsoknyi Rinpoche presumably received it from ChNN though.
Interesting, what is the sadhana called?

/magnus
Very interesting indeed, and a piece of truly good news.

It is the first time I hear about a non-DC sangha doing a practice transmitted by ChNN. I take it as another sign that Tsoknyi Rinpoche might yet have a part to play in the transmission of ChNN's teachings.

Any details much appreciated.
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Re: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Post by Aryjna » Tue Apr 03, 2018 12:10 pm

treehuggingoctopus wrote:
Tue Apr 03, 2018 11:32 am
heart wrote:
Tue Apr 03, 2018 11:00 am
dharmafootsteps wrote:
Tue Apr 03, 2018 10:22 am
Interestingly I was talking to a student of Tsoknyi Rinpoche recently and learned that their group has a sadhana practice that not only includes Song of the Vajra (and the purification of the five elements), but uses the same melody. Tsoknyi Rinpoche presumably received it from ChNN though.
Interesting, what is the sadhana called?

/magnus
Very interesting indeed, and a piece of truly good news.

It is the first time I hear about a non-DC sangha doing a practice transmitted by ChNN. I take it as another sign that Tsoknyi Rinpoche might yet have a part to play in the transmission of ChNN's teachings.

Any details much appreciated.
Yes, I've been looking into attending one of his retreats, this is good to know.

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Re: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Post by Malcolm » Tue Apr 03, 2018 3:17 pm

heart wrote:
Tue Apr 03, 2018 10:14 am
Miroku wrote:
Tue Apr 03, 2018 9:22 am
heart wrote:
Tue Apr 03, 2018 4:52 am


Yes, it is. But not with ChNNR's melody. Often a part of liberation of wearing mantras. Also there are several version.

/magnus
Yes, if I remember correctly the melody is really something special. It came to Rinpoche as a part of his Jnanadakiny dreams or it is from Jnanadakini. Either way it is special.
No, I think he got it from Ekajati in a dream.

/magnus
It came from a dream of a ganapuja he had when he was around 10 years old. Since his uncle was in the dream, he asked his uncle if he knew this melody, but Heka Lingpa said he did not know that melody, and told ChNN to go to his other uncle, since SOV was part of Adzom Drukpa's practice; however, there, his other uncle taught him a melody that was used in Adzom Gar, but it was nothing like what ChNN heard in his dream at that Ganapuja. Later, when he started having dreams of the dance, the melody was slowed down considerably. I have heard recordings from the '70s where SOV was accompanied by harmonium and it was sung very rapidly compared even with the quick form of singing today.
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Re: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Post by Mantrik » Tue Apr 03, 2018 6:49 pm

Malcolm wrote:
Tue Apr 03, 2018 3:17 pm
Later, when he started having dreams of the dance, the melody was slowed down considerably. I have heard recordings from the '70s where SOV was accompanied by harmonium and it was sung very rapidly compared even with the quick form of singing today.
Oh, that's the reason. I always wondered.
I have a recording which is about double the speed ChNN sings it. (Elio/Fabio?)

Is it wrong to sing it more quickly in routine practice, as opposed to when singing along with him?

Has ChNN ever said?
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Post by Lukeinaz » Tue Apr 03, 2018 7:19 pm

Regarding the Mandarava tsalung practice, is it generally better to do them all straight through and continue this way for a while, similar to how we did them in retreat. Or choosing several and really getting familiar with them before moving on. It seems like maybe we could have better experience by just choosing several, any thoughts?
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Re: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Post by dharmafootsteps » Wed Apr 04, 2018 2:53 am

heart wrote:
Tue Apr 03, 2018 11:00 am
dharmafootsteps wrote:
Tue Apr 03, 2018 10:22 am
Interestingly I was talking to a student of Tsoknyi Rinpoche recently and learned that their group has a sadhana practice that not only includes Song of the Vajra (and the purification of the five elements), but uses the same melody. Tsoknyi Rinpoche presumably received it from ChNN though.
Interesting, what is the sadhana called?

/magnus
I'm not sure, I'll see her again tomorrow so will check then.

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Post by javier.espinoza.t » Wed Apr 04, 2018 3:44 am

Aryjna wrote:
Tue Apr 03, 2018 12:10 pm
treehuggingoctopus wrote:
Tue Apr 03, 2018 11:32 am
heart wrote:
Tue Apr 03, 2018 11:00 am


Interesting, what is the sadhana called?

/magnus
Very interesting indeed, and a piece of truly good news.

It is the first time I hear about a non-DC sangha doing a practice transmitted by ChNN. I take it as another sign that Tsoknyi Rinpoche might yet have a part to play in the transmission of ChNN's teachings.

Any details much appreciated.
Yes, I've been looking into attending one of his retreats, this is good to know.
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Re: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Post by amanitamusc » Wed Apr 04, 2018 10:09 am

treehuggingoctopus wrote:
Tue Apr 03, 2018 11:32 am
heart wrote:
Tue Apr 03, 2018 11:00 am
dharmafootsteps wrote:
Tue Apr 03, 2018 10:22 am
Interestingly I was talking to a student of Tsoknyi Rinpoche recently and learned that their group has a sadhana practice that not only includes Song of the Vajra (and the purification of the five elements), but uses the same melody. Tsoknyi Rinpoche presumably received it from ChNN though.
Interesting, what is the sadhana called?

/magnus
Very interesting indeed, and a piece of truly good news.

It is the first time I hear about a non-DC sangha doing a practice transmitted by ChNN. I take it as another sign that Tsoknyi Rinpoche might yet have a part to play in the transmission of ChNN's teachings.


Any details much appreciated.
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Post by Kunga Lhadzom » Wed Apr 04, 2018 4:27 pm

How is ChNN doing ?

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Post by Sherab Rigdrol » Wed Apr 04, 2018 5:49 pm

An Open Letter To All Dzogchen Community
Chögyal Namkhai Norbu
After I returned from Rome to Tenerife, I went to the Via Adeje Clinic in Tenerife, where I had a health exam for two hours one morning. After the exam, my doctor told me that I should go to their Clinica Vida of North Tenerife.

We went to that clinic for three days. They checked all my body and did a very intensive cure on the second day. I felt completely cured and we returned to Dzamling Gar. After we returned, we went to visit my doctor each week. Each time we visited the doctor, I was checked again and again.

At Losar 2018 we started the Mandarava Drubchen. I prepared the teaching and the program, but when we arrived at almost a third of the Drubchen, my doctor said that I had to go to the Clinica Vida in North Tenerife again and that I had three weak points on my body. He also saw that I have a long travel program planned. He said that before we cured these three weak conditions and they were cured well, but this time we cannot let you leave and so for the reason, you should go to our Clinica Vida in North Tenerife, remaining for at least a week.

I went to the Clinica Vida, and many expert doctors took care of my three weak points: Heart, Kidney and Lungs. Each doctor was an expert in their field and they checked me for many days. After that week, I tried my best to follow the doctors’ advice. I remained at the Clinic for another week taking antibiotics and that became very heavy, day after day. My personal doctor said the antibiotics should be used correctly, otherwise it becomes disturbing for each of these three weak points. So that took another week. Finally they sent me back to Dzamling Gar.

I am still in my house, but there are two nurses and two doctors coming every day. When I arrived in Dzamling Gar, I still couldn’t move in a normal way. But day after day, I am normalizing and my energy is increasing quite quickly. I should still go to visit the Clinic and check my health every two weeks. The human body is very complicated.

During this period, you have written many emails to me. When I started to open them two days ago, I found my computer full of emails! It is impossible for me to read and reply to all of them, so I cancelled them. I am sorry. I am trying to reply to the whole Community with this communication and I hope it is not too long and complicated.

With many Tashi Delegs,

NN.

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Post by Losal Samten » Wed Apr 04, 2018 7:04 pm

:heart:
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Re: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Post by Mantrik » Wed Apr 04, 2018 8:31 pm

Sherab Rigdrol wrote:
Wed Apr 04, 2018 5:49 pm
An Open Letter To All Dzogchen Community
Chögyal Namkhai Norbu
After I returned from Rome to Tenerife, I went to the Via Adeje Clinic in Tenerife, where I had a health exam for two hours one morning. After the exam, my doctor told me that I should go to their Clinica Vida of North Tenerife.

We went to that clinic for three days. They checked all my body and did a very intensive cure on the second day. I felt completely cured and we returned to Dzamling Gar. After we returned, we went to visit my doctor each week. Each time we visited the doctor, I was checked again and again.

At Losar 2018 we started the Mandarava Drubchen. I prepared the teaching and the program, but when we arrived at almost a third of the Drubchen, my doctor said that I had to go to the Clinica Vida in North Tenerife again and that I had three weak points on my body. He also saw that I have a long travel program planned. He said that before we cured these three weak conditions and they were cured well, but this time we cannot let you leave and so for the reason, you should go to our Clinica Vida in North Tenerife, remaining for at least a week.

I went to the Clinica Vida, and many expert doctors took care of my three weak points: Heart, Kidney and Lungs. Each doctor was an expert in their field and they checked me for many days. After that week, I tried my best to follow the doctors’ advice. I remained at the Clinic for another week taking antibiotics and that became very heavy, day after day. My personal doctor said the antibiotics should be used correctly, otherwise it becomes disturbing for each of these three weak points. So that took another week. Finally they sent me back to Dzamling Gar.

I am still in my house, but there are two nurses and two doctors coming every day. When I arrived in Dzamling Gar, I still couldn’t move in a normal way. But day after day, I am normalizing and my energy is increasing quite quickly. I should still go to visit the Clinic and check my health every two weeks. The human body is very complicated.

During this period, you have written many emails to me. When I started to open them two days ago, I found my computer full of emails! It is impossible for me to read and reply to all of them, so I cancelled them. I am sorry. I am trying to reply to the whole Community with this communication and I hope it is not too long and complicated.

With many Tashi Delegs,

NN.
Thank you. :)
Perhaps this should also be a new separate thread in the DC subforum? It is very important that people know his condition and not to email him.
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Post by PSM » Wed Apr 04, 2018 8:58 pm

Are there any DC books (or past issues of The Mirror) which talk about karma yoga? Hindu dharma has some great teachings on it, but I'd love some Buddhist instructions, especially from a dzogchen perspective.
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Post by Kunga Lhadzom » Wed Apr 04, 2018 9:02 pm

Thank you Sherab Rigdrol :namaste:


If he was my father, I would beg him to relax and take a break for a year.or so.....and to not constantly be around people & so much activity. It takes a lot of energy to do what he does & he really needs to take a break.....a vacation... :heart:

He works too hard :crying:

Sorry if I'm speaking out of bounds. :spy:


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Post by javier.espinoza.t » Wed Apr 04, 2018 9:36 pm

Mantrik wrote:
Wed Apr 04, 2018 8:31 pm
Sherab Rigdrol wrote:
Wed Apr 04, 2018 5:49 pm
An Open Letter To All Dzogchen Community
Chögyal Namkhai Norbu
After I returned from Rome to Tenerife, I went to the Via Adeje Clinic in Tenerife, where I had a health exam for two hours one morning. After the exam, my doctor told me that I should go to their Clinica Vida of North Tenerife.

We went to that clinic for three days. They checked all my body and did a very intensive cure on the second day. I felt completely cured and we returned to Dzamling Gar. After we returned, we went to visit my doctor each week. Each time we visited the doctor, I was checked again and again.

At Losar 2018 we started the Mandarava Drubchen. I prepared the teaching and the program, but when we arrived at almost a third of the Drubchen, my doctor said that I had to go to the Clinica Vida in North Tenerife again and that I had three weak points on my body. He also saw that I have a long travel program planned. He said that before we cured these three weak conditions and they were cured well, but this time we cannot let you leave and so for the reason, you should go to our Clinica Vida in North Tenerife, remaining for at least a week.

I went to the Clinica Vida, and many expert doctors took care of my three weak points: Heart, Kidney and Lungs. Each doctor was an expert in their field and they checked me for many days. After that week, I tried my best to follow the doctors’ advice. I remained at the Clinic for another week taking antibiotics and that became very heavy, day after day. My personal doctor said the antibiotics should be used correctly, otherwise it becomes disturbing for each of these three weak points. So that took another week. Finally they sent me back to Dzamling Gar.

I am still in my house, but there are two nurses and two doctors coming every day. When I arrived in Dzamling Gar, I still couldn’t move in a normal way. But day after day, I am normalizing and my energy is increasing quite quickly. I should still go to visit the Clinic and check my health every two weeks. The human body is very complicated.

During this period, you have written many emails to me. When I started to open them two days ago, I found my computer full of emails! It is impossible for me to read and reply to all of them, so I cancelled them. I am sorry. I am trying to reply to the whole Community with this communication and I hope it is not too long and complicated.

With many Tashi Delegs,

NN.
Thank you. :)
Perhaps this should also be a new separate thread in the DC subforum? It is very important that people know his condition and not to email him.
it might be useful, so people with transmision can discuss more openly.
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Post by javier.espinoza.t » Wed Apr 04, 2018 9:38 pm

does anyone know if there is another teaching source on GT yidam, that we use in thun-book?

i have read the booklet, but i wuld like to know more. details, teachings, if there is a text like a tantra, etc.
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Re: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Post by Stewart » Thu Apr 05, 2018 4:48 pm

dharmafootsteps wrote:
Wed Apr 04, 2018 2:53 am
heart wrote:
Tue Apr 03, 2018 11:00 am
dharmafootsteps wrote:
Tue Apr 03, 2018 10:22 am
Interestingly I was talking to a student of Tsoknyi Rinpoche recently and learned that their group has a sadhana practice that not only includes Song of the Vajra (and the purification of the five elements), but uses the same melody. Tsoknyi Rinpoche presumably received it from ChNN though.
Interesting, what is the sadhana called?

/magnus
I'm not sure, I'll see her again tomorrow so will check then.
Hi,

Just wondering if you managed to find out any more information on this Sadhana?
s.

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