Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

[Hansei]

Jamyang Norbu reminisces about ChNN:

Sometime in the mid-eighties Namkhai Norbu visited my uncle Rakra Trulku at the Pestalozzi Children’s Village in Switzerland. During their after-dinner conversation Namkhai Norbu asked my uncle if he would like to experience a “mirror divination” (tib. tra-pab). My uncle was curious and so Namkhai Norbu pulled out a brass melong mirror and set it up on the dining table.

He began chanting and tossing grains of rice on the mirror surface. My uncle told me that soon the mirror surface began to cloud over and a vision appeared. Rakra Rimpoche did not tell me what he saw and I did not press him. But some of the Tibetan children at Pestalozzi who were crowding around the two lamas and looking to be entertained, later told me of their experiences that evening. They all saw different things – fleeting landscapes, people and so on. Nothing of consequence. One girl told me that she saw Tibetan letters appearing and disappearing on the mirror surface. She took up Tibetan Studies later in life.

Wonderful. Thanks.

[Dorje Shedrub]

Did Rinpoche teach and transmit all of his Longsal terma or was there still more? Have his senior students, like Adriano Clemente, received all of them?

DS

[Norwegian]

Did Rinpoche teach and transmit all of his Longsal terma or was there still more? Have his senior students, like Adriano Clemente, received all of them?

DS

No there were more Longsal teachings that Rinpoche had received, but had not yet transmitted. I don't know if Adriano have received them.

[treehuggingoctopus]

Did Rinpoche teach and transmit all of his Longsal terma or was there still more? Have his senior students, like Adriano Clemente, received all of them?

DS

You are not the only one asking this question

[jet.urgyen]

Did Rinpoche teach and transmit all of his Longsal terma or was there still more? Have his senior students, like Adriano Clemente, received all of them?

DS

nope, but we already have plenty of methods.

it took several years for Rinpoche to enable longsal transmission, i mean he had to practice this things for 5 years, 20 years, etc. before he where allowed to transmit them.

it is something very difficult

[Tlalok]

What are the requirements to be able to read the Precious Vase? I want to use it to get into the preliminaries in a deeper sense.

[Könchok Thrinley]

What are the requirements to be able to read the Precious Vase? I want to use it to get into the preliminaries in a deeper sense.

Direct introduction from Namkhai Norbu Rinpoche

[Tlalok]

What are the requirements to be able to read the Precious Vase? I want to use it to get into the preliminaries in a deeper sense.

Direct introduction from Namkhai Norbu Rinpoche

Neat, thanks!

[Lukeinaz]

What are the requirements to be able to read the Precious Vase? I want to use it to get into the preliminaries in a deeper sense.

Direct introduction from Namkhai Norbu Rinpoche

so in the future, who would be "allowed" to read all these restricted texts? also who imposes the restrictions? it seens some unrestricted text contain within restricted material. for example, supreme source and dorje namkha contained within.

[Könchok Thrinley]

What are the requirements to be able to read the Precious Vase? I want to use it to get into the preliminaries in a deeper sense.

Direct introduction from Namkhai Norbu Rinpoche

so in the future, who would be "allowed" to read all these restricted texts? also who imposes the restrictions? it seens some unrestricted text contain within restricted material. for example, supreme source and dorje namkha contained within.

How should I know? Wait and you will see. In the mean time feel glad for having the contact with Rinpoche

[Dorje Shedrub]

I just hope that the Longsal terma will not be lost. I only received the Janadakini transmission.

I'm also curious about SMS since no one to my knowledge has completed all levels.

I hope that Rinpoche will manifest in ways that this lineage may continue.

DS

[oldbob]

I just hope that the Longsal terma will not be lost. I only received the Janadakini transmission.

I'm also curious about SMS since no one to my knowledge has completed all levels.

I hope that Rinpoche will manifest in ways that this lineage may continue.

DS

The Longsal Terma will not be lost. If I have one breath left - I pledge this. Don't worry. The Longsal is in good hands. It is in your hands. Make your hands big as the universe.

The transmission will continue. The SMS is to level four of nine. Doesn't matter. In Dzogchen there are no limits / levels. How can you have a limit if you can't say / make a dualism of anything? Not to worry. Yes, it is a wonderment. Yes, it is a miracle. There is no logic that can explain these things.

If you make yourself completely empty and invite him to come into you, see what happens.

[oldbob]

What are the requirements to be able to read the Precious Vase? I want to use it to get into the preliminaries in a deeper sense.

My 2 cents:

Though others may say otherwise ( and I respect their right to do so) I do not feel there is any requirement to have a Direct Introduction before reading the Precious Vase. Certainly your experience will be deeper if you have a DI before reading this material, but truly, Dharma information is ok to receive at any level and if it leads to practice and personal experience, (turning the wheel) this is the purpose of Dharma information. There is no harm in anyone reading the Precious Vase.

If you pray to ChNNR, with tears in your eyes, and ask for his permission to do any practice, and he gives you this permission, who is to say that you did not receive his permission by vision or dream.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Apparitions-Se ... net+Gyatso

[Norwegian]

What are the requirements to be able to read the Precious Vase? I want to use it to get into the preliminaries in a deeper sense.

My 2 cents:

Though others may say otherwise ( and I respect their right to do so) I do not feel there is any requirement to have a Direct Introduction before reading the Precious Vase. Certainly your experience will be deeper if you have a DI before reading this material, but truly, Dharma information is ok to receive at any level and if it leads to practice and personal experience, (turning the wheel) this is the purpose of Dharma information. There is no harm in anyone reading the Precious Vase.

If you pray to ChNNR, with tears in your eyes, and ask for his permission to do any practice, and he gives you this permission, who is to say that you did not receive his permission by vision or dream.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Apparitions-Se ... net+Gyatso

As Chogyal Namkhai Norbu taught: One must receive transmission. Otherwise it is not good.

The requirement then, of receiving direct introduction, is what Rinpoche taught. This means then that your suggestion - however nice it sounds - is not what Rinpoche taught.

As it says in the beginning of the book itself, i.e., the Precious Vase: "This book should be treated with maximum respect and is intended for the use of those who have received the related transmission and teaching from the Master."

Referring to Jigme Lingpa, a realized master - a terton - who had sambhogakaya visions, is a little strange. There's nobody here who are realized or tertons. And if they were, they wouldn't need to receive any kind of teaching anymore...

[climb-up]

What are the requirements to be able to read the Precious Vase? I want to use it to get into the preliminaries in a deeper sense.

My 2 cents:

Though others may say otherwise ( and I respect their right to do so) I do not feel there is any requirement to have a Direct Introduction before reading the Precious Vase. Certainly your experience will be deeper if you have a DI before reading this material, but truly, Dharma information is ok to receive at any level and if it leads to practice and personal experience, (turning the wheel) this is the purpose of Dharma information. There is no harm in anyone reading the Precious Vase.

If you pray to ChNNR, with tears in your eyes, and ask for his permission to do any practice, and he gives you this permission, who is to say that you did not receive his permission by vision or dream.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Apparitions-Se ... net+Gyatso

As Chogyal Namkhai Norbu taught: One must receive transmission. Otherwise it is not good.

The requirement then, of receiving direct introduction, is what Rinpoche taught. This means then that your suggestion - however nice it sounds - is not what Rinpoche taught.

As it says in the beginning of the book itself, i.e., the Precious Vase: "This book should be treated with maximum respect and is intended for the use of those who have received the related transmission and teaching from the Master."

Referring to Jigme Lingpa, a realized master - a terton - who had sambhogakaya visions, is a little strange. There's nobody here who are realized or tertons. And if they were, they wouldn't need to receive any kind of teaching anymore...

Yeah, that really doesn't seem to jive with what ChNN taught at all. Some other teachers are okay with practicing Dzogchen without DI, or with a practice itself being the DI (Loppon Tenzin Namdak has said as much explicitly and several others imply it strongly), but ChNN was always very clear about the need for DI.

It's interesting, just before I was reading this I read a chapter in the biography of Ra Lotsawa (...which is great) and had specifically noticed and found it interesting that he (someone who had gained realization and also could float on air and do all sorts of magical feats) at one point received visionary transmission directly from Manjusri of all the 84,000 dharmas...
...what was interesting was that he then went on a journey, as a student, receiving the wang and lung of a whole assortment of teachings on chakrasamvara and others. Even with a direct transmission from Manjusri, he felt it important to receive teachings from a physical human teacher.

[climb-up]

What are the requirements to be able to read the Precious Vase? I want to use it to get into the preliminaries in a deeper sense.

Direct introduction from Namkhai Norbu Rinpoche

so in the future, who would be "allowed" to read all these restricted texts? also who imposes the restrictions? it seens some unrestricted text contain within restricted material. for example, supreme source and dorje namkha contained within.

As said above, we who have received DI should be grateful for our wonderful opportunity.
In regards to DC; time will tell but I, for one, figure that there is or will be a plan in place to continue the DI and continue the community.
If the DI is continued then, I believe, many are able to give the lung of the various practices. I think (and may be incorrect) that anyone who has completed the three roots retreat and received the lung can give the it.

[Rinchen Dorje]

Patience....more than likely, major announcements will be made after 49 days have passed and many questions/concerns will be addressed...until then I suggest LOTS of Guruyoga and SOV

[Josef]

Did Rinpoche teach and transmit all of his Longsal terma or was there still more? Have his senior students, like Adriano Clemente, received all of them?

DS

It's not at all uncommon for terma cycles to take multiple generations to be revealed, even then there is often a vast amount that remains hidden.

[Vasana]

Good to remember that Longsal isn't exclusive to our human dimension either. We don't yet know about Longsal in this world but if there are lineage holders elsewhere then for as long as these teachings can tame beings they will continue in some form or another, manifesting their blessings. All the more reason to rejoice for those mindstreams who have received even just a few seeds of these transmissions, including ourselves.

[climb-up]

My 2 cents:

Though others may say otherwise ( and I respect their right to do so) I do not feel there is any requirement to have a Direct Introduction before reading the Precious Vase. Certainly your experience will be deeper if you have a DI before reading this material, but truly, Dharma information is ok to receive at any level and if it leads to practice and personal experience, (turning the wheel) this is the purpose of Dharma information. There is no harm in anyone reading the Precious Vase.

If you pray to ChNNR, with tears in your eyes, and ask for his permission to do any practice, and he gives you this permission, who is to say that you did not receive his permission by vision or dream.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Apparitions-Se ... net+Gyatso

As Chogyal Namkhai Norbu taught: One must receive transmission. Otherwise it is not good.

The requirement then, of receiving direct introduction, is what Rinpoche taught. This means then that your suggestion - however nice it sounds - is not what Rinpoche taught.

As it says in the beginning of the book itself, i.e., the Precious Vase: "This book should be treated with maximum respect and is intended for the use of those who have received the related transmission and teaching from the Master."

Referring to Jigme Lingpa, a realized master - a terton - who had sambhogakaya visions, is a little strange. There's nobody here who are realized or tertons. And if they were, they wouldn't need to receive any kind of teaching anymore...

Yeah, that really doesn't seem to jive with what ChNN taught at all. Some other teachers are okay with practicing Dzogchen without DI, or with a practice itself being the DI (Loppon Tenzin Namdak has said as much explicitly and several others imply it strongly), but ChNN was always very clear about the need for DI.

It's interesting, just before I was reading this I read a chapter in the biography of Ra Lotsawa (...which is great) and had specifically noticed and found it interesting that he (someone who had gained realization and also could float on air and do all sorts of magical feats) at one point received visionary transmission directly from Manjusri of all the 84,000 dharmas...
...what was interesting was that he then went on a journey, as a student, receiving the wang and lung of a whole assortment of teachings on chakrasamvara and others. Even with a direct transmission from Manjusri, he felt it important to receive teachings from a physical human teacher.

It seems that my above statement was taken, incorrectly, as an attack, and I apologize if that is how it came across.
It seems that Oldbob meant only that reading the book without DI was, in his opinion, fine, not practicing it without DI.
For myself, since it is labelled as a restricted book, that doesn't seem like a good idea, but if someone understands this, it is none of my business.

I was certainly not attempting to jump on any bandwagons, or immune anyone's reputation (and am more than a little surprised that a message board comment would be taken as such. My confusion came from the section stating:

If you pray to ChNNR, with tears in your eyes, and ask for his permission to do any practice, and he gives you this permission, who is to say that you did not receive his permission by vision or dream.

I thought, given the context of post, and not realizing someone would intend to buy a restricted book just to read it, that this was in regards to DI. I do still think it's confusing, because that particular statement does seem to imply the necessity of some level of permissions before reading, but again;
I am not trying to quibble, disrespect, 'derogate or deride,' my above comment was a thought that I had in response to what I had read. Apparently I was mistaken. I do generally assume that folks will just post a response to a mistake I make (so that I and others can learn from it) but so be it.