Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

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Post by krodha » Sun Nov 11, 2018 2:45 am

Lukeinaz wrote:
Sun Nov 11, 2018 1:44 am
in the great book "The Mirror", it is said:

"it is this decisive knowing, this pure presence of the true original condition, that is called nirvana."

so i thought the primordial state is beyond both samsara and nirvana. here it sounds otherwise. thoughts?
In a sense, samsara and nirvāna both appear for the practitioner, but not for the primordial state.

There is no delusion in your nature, delusion and the exhaustion of delusion both occur secondarily, “on top” of the nature, as Malcolm once shared Khenpo Ngachung saying.

In Dzogchen we aren’t refining our nature, the primordial state, which is already always originally pure and naturally perfected. Instead we are refining and working with our knowledge [rig pa] of our nature. Samsara and nirvāna both occur within this scope of refining our rig pa, purifying obscurations, etc.

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Re: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Post by Lukeinaz » Sun Nov 11, 2018 3:15 am

krodha wrote:
Sun Nov 11, 2018 2:45 am
Lukeinaz wrote:
Sun Nov 11, 2018 1:44 am
in the great book "The Mirror", it is said:

"it is this decisive knowing, this pure presence of the true original condition, that is called nirvana."

so i thought the primordial state is beyond both samsara and nirvana. here it sounds otherwise. thoughts?
In a sense, samsara and nirvāna both appear for the practitioner, but not for the primordial state.

There is no delusion in your nature, delusion and the exhaustion of delusion both occur secondarily, “on top” of the nature, as Malcolm once shared Khenpo Ngachung saying.

In Dzogchen we aren’t refining our nature, the primordial state, which is already always originally pure and naturally perfected. Instead we are refining and working with our knowledge [rig pa] of our nature. Samsara and nirvāna both occur within this scope of refining our rig pa, purifying obscurations, etc.
so the decisive knowing and the primordial state are distinct.
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Re: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Post by krodha » Sun Nov 11, 2018 3:32 am

Lukeinaz wrote:
Sun Nov 11, 2018 3:15 am
krodha wrote:
Sun Nov 11, 2018 2:45 am
Lukeinaz wrote:
Sun Nov 11, 2018 1:44 am
in the great book "The Mirror", it is said:

"it is this decisive knowing, this pure presence of the true original condition, that is called nirvana."

so i thought the primordial state is beyond both samsara and nirvana. here it sounds otherwise. thoughts?
In a sense, samsara and nirvāna both appear for the practitioner, but not for the primordial state.

There is no delusion in your nature, delusion and the exhaustion of delusion both occur secondarily, “on top” of the nature, as Malcolm once shared Khenpo Ngachung saying.

In Dzogchen we aren’t refining our nature, the primordial state, which is already always originally pure and naturally perfected. Instead we are refining and working with our knowledge [rig pa] of our nature. Samsara and nirvāna both occur within this scope of refining our rig pa, purifying obscurations, etc.
so the decisive knowing and the primordial state are distinct.
Yes, in a sense they are distinct, because if your rigpa and your nature were identical, then your rigpa would never become marigpa.

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Re: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Post by javier.espinoza.t » Tue Nov 13, 2018 6:32 am

news about the community are to be told by december, right? or it was november?
what are you doing

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Post by treehuggingoctopus » Tue Nov 13, 2018 12:14 pm

javier.espinoza.t wrote:
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news about the community are to be told by december, right? or it was november?
October 2019
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Post by javier.espinoza.t » Tue Nov 13, 2018 6:05 pm

treehuggingoctopus wrote:
Tue Nov 13, 2018 12:14 pm
javier.espinoza.t wrote:
Tue Nov 13, 2018 6:32 am
news about the community are to be told by december, right? or it was november?
October 2019
oh, i see haha
what are you doing

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Post by Fa Dao » Sat Nov 17, 2018 4:46 pm

Did everyone see the new book, "Starting the Evolution" by ChNNR? https://shop.shangshungfoundation.com/e ... 41654.html
"But if you know how to observe yourself, you will discover your real nature, the primordial state, the state of Guruyoga, and then all will become clear because you will have discovered everything"-Namkhai Norbu Rinpoche

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Post by Tata1 » Sat Nov 17, 2018 5:49 pm

Does anyone have an audio of thr short ganapuja by jigme lingpa?

I.have the medium ganaluja audionfiles but it doesnt have his section

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Post by Johnny Dangerous » Sun Nov 18, 2018 2:07 am

Fa Dao wrote:
Sat Nov 17, 2018 4:46 pm
Did everyone see the new book, "Starting the Evolution" by ChNNR? https://shop.shangshungfoundation.com/e ... 41654.html


Yeah, what is it sourced from? Is it a brand new work, a collection, or what?
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Post by Fa Dao » Sun Nov 18, 2018 3:40 am

Johnny Dangerous wrote:
Sun Nov 18, 2018 2:07 am
Fa Dao wrote:
Sat Nov 17, 2018 4:46 pm
Did everyone see the new book, "Starting the Evolution" by ChNNR? https://shop.shangshungfoundation.com/e ... 41654.html


Yeah, what is it sourced from? Is it a brand new work, a collection, or what?
no idea...just saw it posted on norbunet, looked it up, looked interesting so I ordered it...will let you know when I get/read it
"But if you know how to observe yourself, you will discover your real nature, the primordial state, the state of Guruyoga, and then all will become clear because you will have discovered everything"-Namkhai Norbu Rinpoche

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Post by Mantrik » Sun Nov 18, 2018 11:24 am

Fa Dao wrote:
Sat Nov 17, 2018 4:46 pm
Did everyone see the new book, "Starting the Evolution" by ChNNR? https://shop.shangshungfoundation.com/e ... 41654.html
Look like a very brief Introduction. I'll wait for the ebook.
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Post by treehuggingoctopus » Sun Nov 18, 2018 11:38 am

Mantrik wrote:
Sun Nov 18, 2018 11:24 am
Fa Dao wrote:
Sat Nov 17, 2018 4:46 pm
Did everyone see the new book, "Starting the Evolution" by ChNNR? https://shop.shangshungfoundation.com/e ... 41654.html
Look like a very brief Introduction. I'll wait for the ebook.
Is it something actually written by Rinpoche, or another compilation?
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Post by Mantrik » Sun Nov 18, 2018 11:41 am

treehuggingoctopus wrote:
Sun Nov 18, 2018 11:38 am
Mantrik wrote:
Sun Nov 18, 2018 11:24 am
Fa Dao wrote:
Sat Nov 17, 2018 4:46 pm
Did everyone see the new book, "Starting the Evolution" by ChNNR? https://shop.shangshungfoundation.com/e ... 41654.html
Look like a very brief Introduction. I'll wait for the ebook.
Is it something actually written by Rinpoche, or another compilation?
I read the blurb as referring to his teachings and presentation........but that's not to say it isn't a compilation: ''These teachings, presented here by Chögyal Namkhai Norbu....''
http://www.khyung.com

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Re: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Post by treehuggingoctopus » Sun Nov 18, 2018 12:29 pm

Mantrik wrote:
Sun Nov 18, 2018 11:41 am
treehuggingoctopus wrote:
Sun Nov 18, 2018 11:38 am
Mantrik wrote:
Sun Nov 18, 2018 11:24 am


Look like a very brief Introduction. I'll wait for the ebook.
Is it something actually written by Rinpoche, or another compilation?
I read the blurb as referring to his teachings and presentation........but that's not to say it isn't a compilation: ''These teachings, presented here by Chögyal Namkhai Norbu....''
Right, the blurb is very blurbish and gives away nothing.
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Re: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Post by Dorje Shedrub » Sun Nov 18, 2018 4:59 pm

Mantrik wrote:
Sun Nov 18, 2018 11:24 am
Fa Dao wrote:
Sat Nov 17, 2018 4:46 pm
Did everyone see the new book, "Starting the Evolution" by ChNNR? https://shop.shangshungfoundation.com/e ... 41654.html
Look like a very brief Introduction. I'll wait for the ebook.
The ebook is available.

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Post by Mantrik » Sun Nov 18, 2018 5:29 pm

Dorje Shedrub wrote:
Sun Nov 18, 2018 4:59 pm
Mantrik wrote:
Sun Nov 18, 2018 11:24 am
Fa Dao wrote:
Sat Nov 17, 2018 4:46 pm
Did everyone see the new book, "Starting the Evolution" by ChNNR? https://shop.shangshungfoundation.com/e ... 41654.html
Look like a very brief Introduction. I'll wait for the ebook.
The ebook is available.

DS
So it is. Thanks.
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Re: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Post by Aryjna » Sun Nov 18, 2018 6:25 pm

Judging by the description and that it is not restricted, it looks like a short general introduction. It would be good to have some more information.

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Post by Norwegian » Sun Nov 18, 2018 6:48 pm

It's "a summary of all teachings Rinpoche was giving over the years, helping us to understand who we actually are and teaching us how to maintain presence and awareness in our daily life. The book also includes a section on dying as a Dzogchen practitioners, with advice on the four intermediate states." (via Norbunet).

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Post by Aryjna » Sun Nov 18, 2018 6:56 pm

Norwegian wrote:
Sun Nov 18, 2018 6:48 pm
It's "a summary of all teachings Rinpoche was giving over the years, helping us to understand who we actually are and teaching us how to maintain presence and awareness in our daily life. The book also includes a section on dying as a Dzogchen practitioners, with advice on the four intermediate states." (via Norbunet).
Thanks

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Post by Sennin » Mon Nov 19, 2018 8:30 pm

Is the Simhamukha mantra in the tun coming from Ayu Khandro or Jigme Lingpa or...?
I have received the lung of Ayu Khandros terma but wasn't entirely sure if this is where the mantra in the tun originates.
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