Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

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Re: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Post by Mantrik » Wed Mar 28, 2018 8:56 pm

Aryjna wrote:
Wed Mar 28, 2018 8:45 pm

Ah, I say that because the original question was about including practices from other teachers.
Yes, I agree totally in that each Guru must advise on how their own practices may be performed.
I haven't asked but I perform daily practices by LOTR and ChNN entirely separately and hours apart.
Guruyoga, however, as opportunities arise during the day.

It is an interesting point about the integration of Dzogchen into daily life, though, and what another Guru may think if we are integrating Dzogchen we have learned from ChNN when performing their sadhanas. I have no idea! :anjali: :)
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Post by javier.espinoza.t » Wed Mar 28, 2018 10:29 pm

interesting subject, what about mixing points of view? :stirthepot: lets say, for example, transformation vs self perfected state point of view. i mean, because not every teacher teaches, and i suspect also don't include, atiyoga in their systems.
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Re: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Post by amanitamusc » Thu Mar 29, 2018 2:28 am

javier.espinoza.t wrote:
Wed Mar 28, 2018 10:29 pm
interesting subject, what about mixing points of view? :stirthepot: lets say, for example, transformation vs self perfected state point of view. i mean, because not every teacher teaches, and i suspect also don't include, atiyoga in their systems.
This depends,if the practitioner has direct introduction and Knows the
Ati view.
To adopt other views would be foolish.

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Re: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Post by javier.espinoza.t » Thu Mar 29, 2018 4:27 am

amanitamusc wrote:
Thu Mar 29, 2018 2:28 am
javier.espinoza.t wrote:
Wed Mar 28, 2018 10:29 pm
interesting subject, what about mixing points of view? :stirthepot: lets say, for example, transformation vs self perfected state point of view. i mean, because not every teacher teaches, and i suspect also don't include, atiyoga in their systems.
This depends,if the practitioner has direct introduction and Knows the
Ati view.
To adopt other views would be foolish.
yeah, but if not... we see, most practices in idc implies the anuyoga system, and mahayoga system in second place.

other communities might not have atiyoga in their teachings.

so, maybe it is better to distinguish well the views and also try not to mix the communities teaching scheme

tricky point, very interesting indeed
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Post by amanitamusc » Thu Mar 29, 2018 4:59 am

javier.espinoza.t wrote:
Thu Mar 29, 2018 4:27 am
amanitamusc wrote:
Thu Mar 29, 2018 2:28 am
javier.espinoza.t wrote:
Wed Mar 28, 2018 10:29 pm
interesting subject, what about mixing points of view? :stirthepot: lets say, for example, transformation vs self perfected state point of view. i mean, because not every teacher teaches, and i suspect also don't include, atiyoga in their systems.
This depends,if the practitioner has direct introduction and Knows the
Ati view.
To adopt other views would be foolish.
yeah, but if not... we see, most practices in idc implies the anuyoga system, and mahayoga system in second place.

other communities might not have atiyoga in their teachings.

so, maybe it is better to distinguish well the views and also try not to mix the communities teaching scheme

tricky point, very interesting indeed
You can practice any Bhuddhadharma with the Ati view if you are a
student of ChNNR and apply his teachings.

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Post by climb-up » Thu Mar 29, 2018 5:25 am

amanitamusc wrote:
Thu Mar 29, 2018 4:59 am
javier.espinoza.t wrote:
Thu Mar 29, 2018 4:27 am
amanitamusc wrote:
Thu Mar 29, 2018 2:28 am


This depends,if the practitioner has direct introduction and Knows the
Ati view.
To adopt other views would be foolish.
yeah, but if not... we see, most practices in idc implies the anuyoga system, and mahayoga system in second place.

other communities might not have atiyoga in their teachings.

so, maybe it is better to distinguish well the views and also try not to mix the communities teaching scheme

tricky point, very interesting indeed
You can practice any Bhuddhadharma with the Ati view if you are a
student of ChNNR and apply his teachings.
Yes!
DC teaches the essence of all the yanas, done with an Dzogchen view.
The main point is to always be in contemplation. Obviously, easier said than done, but there isn't ever a point in intentional adopting a lower view.

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Re: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Post by heart » Thu Mar 29, 2018 6:03 am

javier.espinoza.t wrote:
Wed Mar 28, 2018 10:29 pm
interesting subject, what about mixing points of view? :stirthepot: lets say, for example, transformation vs self perfected state point of view. i mean, because not every teacher teaches, and i suspect also don't include, atiyoga in their systems.
All Nyingma have Ati yoga.

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Post by javier.espinoza.t » Thu Mar 29, 2018 7:21 am

Ati view is easy to pretend by grasping the discourse in dzogchen teachings, but that doesnt mean anything but a phantasy; we cant just bypass the three statements...
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Post by amanitamusc » Thu Mar 29, 2018 9:05 am

javier.espinoza.t wrote:
Thu Mar 29, 2018 7:21 am
Ati view is easy to pretend by grasping the discourse in dzogchen teachings, but that doesnt mean anything but a phantasy; we cant just bypass the three statements...
We do our best.

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Post by javier.espinoza.t » Thu Mar 29, 2018 1:43 pm

amanitamusc wrote:
Thu Mar 29, 2018 9:05 am
javier.e[u wrote:[/u]spinoza.t post_id=442109 time=1522304487 user_id=9139]
Ati view is easy to pretend by grasping the discourse in dzogchen teachings, but that doesnt mean anything but a phantasy; we cant just bypass the three statements...
We do our best.
we do :group: ! my intention is say that it helps to know the principles implied in the methods we apply all the time even if we are pretending a higher view, afaik that's a reason why sms base exists, and that in that pretention mixing without discrimination can be confusing. so it is better not to mix anything until we truly attain the view
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Post by Lukeinaz » Thu Mar 29, 2018 6:39 pm

Does there exist any general supplications unique to the DC?
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Post by Josef » Thu Mar 29, 2018 6:43 pm

Lukeinaz wrote:
Thu Mar 29, 2018 6:39 pm
Does there exist any general supplications unique to the DC?
Not unique to the DC really.
The DC is mostly an extension of the Adzom Drukpa line of the Longchen Nyingthig.
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Post by Lukeinaz » Thu Mar 29, 2018 7:17 pm

Josef wrote:
Thu Mar 29, 2018 6:43 pm
Lukeinaz wrote:
Thu Mar 29, 2018 6:39 pm
Does there exist any general supplications unique to the DC?
Not unique to the DC really.
The DC is mostly an extension of the Adzom Drukpa line of the Longchen Nyingthig.
Ok, thanks. After the recent discussions I have been thinking not to mix to much. Currently I have been adding additional bodhichitta verses from Shantideva and suppications I have recieved from the Chokling Tersar within the context of a DC thun. Would this still be considered mixing too much?
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Post by Josef » Thu Mar 29, 2018 7:40 pm

Lukeinaz wrote:
Thu Mar 29, 2018 7:17 pm
Josef wrote:
Thu Mar 29, 2018 6:43 pm
Lukeinaz wrote:
Thu Mar 29, 2018 6:39 pm
Does there exist any general supplications unique to the DC?
Not unique to the DC really.
The DC is mostly an extension of the Adzom Drukpa line of the Longchen Nyingthig.
Ok, thanks. After the recent discussions I have been thinking not to mix to much. Currently I have been adding additional bodhichitta verses from Shantideva and suppications I have recieved from the Chokling Tersar within the context of a DC thun. Would this still be considered mixing too much?
In my opinion, no.

Considering that Rinpoche advocates that his students work with their circumstances and focus on Ati Guru Yoga making additional aspirations and invocations etc. is no conflict.
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Post by TaTa » Thu Mar 29, 2018 7:53 pm

Where can i read more about adzom drupas life and linages?

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Post by heart » Thu Mar 29, 2018 7:55 pm

TaTa wrote:
Thu Mar 29, 2018 7:53 pm
Where can i read more about adzom drupas life and linages?
https://treasuryoflives.org/biographies ... Dorje/8574

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Post by TaTa » Thu Mar 29, 2018 7:56 pm

heart wrote:
Thu Mar 29, 2018 7:55 pm
TaTa wrote:
Thu Mar 29, 2018 7:53 pm
Where can i read more about adzom drupas life and linages?
https://treasuryoflives.org/biographies ... Dorje/8574

/magnus
Wow thanks a lot!!

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Re: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Post by javier.espinoza.t » Thu Mar 29, 2018 10:14 pm

Lukeinaz wrote:
Thu Mar 29, 2018 7:17 pm
Josef wrote:
Thu Mar 29, 2018 6:43 pm
Lukeinaz wrote:
Thu Mar 29, 2018 6:39 pm
Does there exist any general supplications unique to the DC?
Not unique to the DC really.
The DC is mostly an extension of the Adzom Drukpa line of the Longchen Nyingthig.
Ok, thanks. After the recent discussions I have been thinking not to mix to much. Currently I have been adding additional bodhichitta verses from Shantideva and suppications I have recieved from the Chokling Tersar within the context of a DC thun. Would this still be considered mixing too much?
forgive me, we can have talks through DW it is far much fun than anything because we all are in the same quest, but i think that for dispelling doubts is far much better you ask an idc sms instructor. my fault not to say that in first place.

if you don't know where to find their emails i can help you, no problem.
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Re: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Post by Dorje Shedrub » Fri Mar 30, 2018 4:25 am

Does anyone know why shang Shung foundation Europe only requires one to have received general transmission or specific lung for restricted practices but Shang Shung institute USA requires one to be a DC member in order to purchase restricted items?
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Re: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Post by Jeff H » Fri Mar 30, 2018 3:44 pm

Dorje Shedrub wrote:
Fri Mar 30, 2018 4:25 am
Does anyone know why shang Shung foundation Europe only requires one to have received general transmission or specific lung for restricted practices but Shang Shung institute USA requires one to be a DC member in order to purchase restricted items?
If you are referring to the fact that there are text boxes for Membership Number and Gar in step 2 of the checkout, there is a note that says, "(If you are not a member please put "000" and NA)". I had purchased items before I became a member.
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