Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

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Re: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Post by Sherab Rigdrol » Sun Jul 01, 2018 5:48 pm

In the Practice of Vajrapani there are two mantras. Do you accumulate both of then or just the second one? The text is unclear.

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Re: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Post by oldbob » Mon Jul 02, 2018 10:08 pm

Aryjna wrote:
Fri Jun 22, 2018 5:49 pm
Does anyone have a link to a good image of the syllables of the Three Vajras? All the images I find online are either too dim, or without a thigle etc.
Here are the three syllables with tigle and I assume approved by ChNNR as this from the USA DC bookstore.

http://shangshung.org/store/index.php?m ... cts_id=554

Always best to ask your teacher what to do - which image to use.

That said, my 2 cents:

When I was learning the three syllables, I found it helpful to go to a Lama (ChNNR) and requested that he draw them in large thick black fully formed letters, one above the other on a piece of cardboard. The letters being 2-3 inches in size and the overall cardboard around 24 inches in length. I then cut out the letters using an Exacto knife, placed white, red and blue stage gel (colored celluloid) behind each letter and then fastened the cardboard in front of a white florescent light so that the light shown only through the cut out letters and then seen as colored by the stage gel. This device is not necessary, but I found it to be an easy way to learn to visualize the letters very brightly. You can also put the cardboard with the cutouts and stage gel in a window with light behind it with the rest of the window blacked out. You supply your own tigle.

Here is an example of the block letters that you can cut out if you are skillful with an Exacto knife. Otherwise have a friend, who is, do this for you. The exacto knife is very sharp and needs be used very carefully around fingers.

https://www.google.com/search?q=om+ah+h ... xb3ELHVazM:

Yes the online images are many but the point is to find one you like and use it.

Aside from the traditional use you can imagine a lot of these 3 colored syllables, standing in vertical sequence, and fill all space. :heart:

https://www.google.com/search?q=om+ah+h ... 20&bih=961

Other sources:

https://tharpa.com/us/om-ah-hum-seed-le ... -card.html

http://www.tibetantreasures.com/Visuali ... ard_1.html

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Re: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Post by Leif » Mon Jul 02, 2018 10:48 pm

Aryjna wrote:
Fri Jun 22, 2018 5:49 pm
Does anyone have a link to a good image of the syllables of the Three Vajras? All the images I find online are either too dim, or without a thigle etc.
not online, but close to the source way might be to scan, enlarge and print the image from Thun books

one online, with thigle and not dim is on dzam store:
http://shop.dzam.org/index.php?route=pr ... duct_id=92

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Re: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Post by Aryjna » Tue Jul 03, 2018 6:43 am

oldbob wrote:
Mon Jul 02, 2018 10:08 pm
Here are the three syllables with tigle and I assume approved by ChNNR as this from the USA DC bookstore.

http://shangshung.org/store/index.php?m ... cts_id=554

Always best to ask your teacher what to do - which image to use.

That said, my 2 cents:

When I was learning the three syllables, I found it helpful to go to a Lama (ChNNR) and requested that he draw them in large thick black fully formed letters, one above the other on a piece of cardboard. The letters being 2-3 inches in size and the overall cardboard around 24 inches in length. I then cut out the letters using an Exacto knife, placed white, red and blue stage gel (colored celluloid) behind each letter and then fastened the cardboard in front of a white florescent light so that the light shown only through the cut out letters and then seen as colored by the stage gel. This device is not necessary, but I found it to be an easy way to learn to visualize the letters very brightly. You can also put the cardboard with the cutouts and stage gel in a window with light behind it with the rest of the window blacked out. You supply your own tigle.

Here is an example of the block letters that you can cut out if you are skillful with an Exacto knife. Otherwise have a friend, who is, do this for you. The exacto knife is very sharp and needs be used very carefully around fingers.

https://www.google.com/search?q=om+ah+h ... xb3ELHVazM:

Yes the online images are many but the point is to find one you like and use it.

Aside from the traditional use you can imagine a lot of these 3 colored syllables, standing in vertical sequence, and fill all space. :heart:

https://www.google.com/search?q=om+ah+h ... 20&bih=961

Other sources:

https://tharpa.com/us/om-ah-hum-seed-le ... -card.html

http://www.tibetantreasures.com/Visuali ... ard_1.html

:heart:
Thanks :D This sounds good, but I doubt that it will be possible to see ChNNR again for at least a few months.
Leif wrote:
Mon Jul 02, 2018 10:48 pm
not online, but close to the source way might be to scan, enlarge and print the image from Thun books

one online, with thigle and not dim is on dzam store:
http://shop.dzam.org/index.php?route=pr ... duct_id=92
The card from dzam store seems pretty good. The ideal would be an image similar, in colors etc, to that on the cover of The Teachings on Thun and Ganapuja, but it doesn't look like it exists anywhere.

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Re: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Post by oldbob » Tue Jul 03, 2018 10:35 am

Yes the card from the Dzam store card looks good, (and one assumes that it is approved by ChNNR) but a key point is that the letters should have effect beyond the intellectual component of the practice. Any static, two dimensional, image only points to (is symbolic of) the natural state. When you add real radiance (of the letters and the 5 colored lights of the swirl of the tigle) then the practice functions as a bridge between the intellectual mind and the natural mind, as Guru Yoga. The trick is to make it alive. Then it functions.

You might try visualizing the letters as three dimensional. You can try things to see what works and what doesn't.

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Re: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Post by oldbob » Tue Jul 03, 2018 10:39 am

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Re: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Post by LolCat » Wed Jul 04, 2018 9:12 pm

I have the Alendar app on my phone, but haven't read the book "The Four Methods of Development" yet. I need to pick good dates for some job interviews coming up, when looking at days, are the day's combinations more important, or the personal aspects? The day's combinations are emphasized in the app, so I assume they are more important, but is that really the case?

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Re: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Post by Virgo » Wed Jul 04, 2018 9:14 pm

LolCat wrote:
Wed Jul 04, 2018 9:12 pm
I have the Alendar app on my phone, but haven't read the book "The Four Methods of Development" yet. I need to pick good dates for some job interviews coming up, when looking at days, are the day's combinations more important, or the personal aspects? The day's combinations are emphasized in the app, so I assume they are more important, but is that really the case?
The personal aspect is more important, but the general aspect also has an influence.

Kevin...
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Re: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Post by Sherab Rigdrol » Wed Jul 04, 2018 9:16 pm

The top row shows your personal relationship with that day's constellation.

If the general aspect had a strong influence there would be no people on the planet because almost everyday LITERALLY brings death and suffering.

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Re: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Post by Virgo » Wed Jul 04, 2018 9:42 pm

Virgo wrote:
Wed Jul 04, 2018 9:14 pm
LolCat wrote:
Wed Jul 04, 2018 9:12 pm
I have the Alendar app on my phone, but haven't read the book "The Four Methods of Development" yet. I need to pick good dates for some job interviews coming up, when looking at days, are the day's combinations more important, or the personal aspects? The day's combinations are emphasized in the app, so I assume they are more important, but is that really the case?
The personal aspect is more important, but the general aspect also has an influence.

Kevin...
Also "The Four Methods of Development" will not help with choosing days. It is for reversing the effects of negative yearly influences.

Kevin
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Re: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Post by Sherab Rigdrol » Wed Jul 04, 2018 9:44 pm

Saying the prayer at the end of the calendar and in the App 3 times a day is sufficient.

Also the mantra to turn bad days to good is VERY important for days where it's looking a little sketchy on the calendar.

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Post by Aryjna » Wed Jul 04, 2018 9:49 pm

What app is that?

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Post by Leif » Wed Jul 04, 2018 9:56 pm

Aryjna wrote:
Wed Jul 04, 2018 9:49 pm
What app is that?
Alendar: http://alendar.org/

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Re: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Post by Aryjna » Wed Jul 04, 2018 9:59 pm

Leif wrote:
Wed Jul 04, 2018 9:56 pm
Aryjna wrote:
Wed Jul 04, 2018 9:49 pm
What app is that?
Alendar: http://alendar.org/
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Post by LolCat » Wed Jul 04, 2018 10:03 pm

Thank you for correcting my assumption, are the personal aspects all equally important? I spotted a couple of days with great looking general aspects with a mixture of good and bad personal aspects, would it be better to look for days with only good personal aspects, even if it meant having bad general aspects?

Edit - sorry, posted this before refreshing the page to look for further responses. Does the turning bad days to good mantra just neutralize a bad day or does it actually make it auspicious? What would be the downside of generally using it on all bad days in the calendar, saying it three times doesn't require much effort after all. I wanted to look for good days because I actually noticed bad stuff happening to me on bad days, the last time I ignored the calendar for travel I was stuck at the airport for an entire day.
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Re: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Post by Sherab Rigdrol » Wed Jul 04, 2018 10:07 pm

Lolcat If it's a mixed bag you'll most likely be ok. Just say the prescribed prayer and mantra (bad to good) and do a nice hefty Tun in the morning. Tara in particular especially around job stuff.

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Post by LolCat » Wed Jul 04, 2018 10:13 pm

Argh, even my edit wasn't fast enough, thank you for the swift responses. I will do what you said, just to be clear, is the invocation in the app the prayer? I am not aware of a mantra. I do remember receiving the lung several times, but I never really caught what Rinpoche said.

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Post by LolCat » Wed Jul 04, 2018 10:17 pm

Virgo wrote:
Wed Jul 04, 2018 9:42 pm
Virgo wrote:
Wed Jul 04, 2018 9:14 pm
LolCat wrote:
Wed Jul 04, 2018 9:12 pm
I have the Alendar app on my phone, but haven't read the book "The Four Methods of Development" yet. I need to pick good dates for some job interviews coming up, when looking at days, are the day's combinations more important, or the personal aspects? The day's combinations are emphasized in the app, so I assume they are more important, but is that really the case?
The personal aspect is more important, but the general aspect also has an influence.

Kevin...
Also "The Four Methods of Development" will not help with choosing days. It is for reversing the effects of negative yearly influences.

Kevin
Oh thank you, I almost ordered it right now, will get to it eventually.

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Re: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Post by Virgo » Wed Jul 04, 2018 10:41 pm

LolCat wrote:
Wed Jul 04, 2018 10:17 pm
Oh thank you, I almost ordered it right now, will get to it eventually.
You should really buy it, but more importantly for your other questions you should buy "A Key to Consulting the Tibetan Calander."

Kevin...

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Re: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Post by Virgo » Wed Jul 04, 2018 10:49 pm

LolCat wrote:
Wed Jul 04, 2018 10:03 pm
Thank you for correcting my assumption, are the personal aspects all equally important? I spotted a couple of days with great looking general aspects with a mixture of good and bad personal aspects, would it be better to look for days with only good personal aspects, even if it meant having bad general aspects?
Pick the days having good general aspects as long as the personal aspect is not your day of adversity, etc. That is the main thing to look out for. If the day/s with the good personal aspects have very bad general aspects (like day of demonds etc) do not use them. If they have minor afflictions, use them.

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