Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

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Post by Mantrik » Mon Sep 17, 2018 7:56 pm

Webcast over, on to Naga Puja, which is now in the evening as circumstances gave me that opportunity.

The Daily Practice book was mentioned on another thread and it is always a good one to go back to as a reminder that a couple of hours of rituals and the other 22 hours distracted is not much use.
So, doing my best to relax and integrate, including at night.

Some well-meaning words around on the web, but please don't take them to mean you should not feel upset or a range of other emotions. It is not a failure, and helps us remember about daily practice and working with the circumstances.
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Re: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Post by Pero » Mon Sep 17, 2018 8:02 pm

Mantrik wrote:
Mon Sep 17, 2018 7:56 pm
Webcast over, on to Naga Puja, which is now in the evening as circumstances gave me that opportunity.
...
The Webcast worked for you? And it was till now?

Tomorrow:
Norbunet wrote: 18th September - webcast practices from Merigar West
15:00 (GMT+2) GURUYOGA OF THE WHITE A
17:00 (GMT+2) GANAPUJA
Although many individuals in this age appear to be merely indulging their worldly desires, one does not have the capacity to judge them, so it is best to train in pure vision.
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Re: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Post by Mantrik » Mon Sep 17, 2018 8:11 pm

Pero wrote:
Mon Sep 17, 2018 8:02 pm
Mantrik wrote:
Mon Sep 17, 2018 7:56 pm
Webcast over, on to Naga Puja, which is now in the evening as circumstances gave me that opportunity.
...
The Webcast worked for you? And it was till now?

Tomorrow:
Norbunet wrote: 18th September - webcast practices from Merigar West
15:00 (GMT+2) GURUYOGA OF THE WHITE A
17:00 (GMT+2) GANAPUJA
Not all, but the last part worked fine. It finished on time, and as it is now a 'Naga Positive' day I decided that would be a good way to continue.

Sorry, didn't mean to imply it had just finished, just that now I am going on to Naga Puja, a little reminder in case anyone else fancied doing so.
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Re: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Post by Pero » Mon Sep 17, 2018 8:15 pm

Mantrik wrote:
Mon Sep 17, 2018 8:11 pm
...
Sorry, didn't mean to imply it had just finished, just that now I am going on to Naga Puja, a little reminder in case anyone else fancied doing so.
Haha it's nothing compared to the title of the email for tomorrow's webcast on Norbunet. I thought Rinpoche was back....
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Post by Mantrik » Mon Sep 17, 2018 8:17 pm

Earlier in the thread it was reported that Shitro is being performed.

Does anyone know which Shitro is being performed and by whom?
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Re: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Post by lelopa » Mon Sep 17, 2018 9:01 pm

Shitro when a Master dies?!?
Unusual.....
Doesn't make sense. :shrug:
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Re: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Post by Pero » Mon Sep 17, 2018 9:07 pm

They switched to Ganapuja soon. The Shitro is almost certainly Namcho, I don't recall another one (well there's Changchub Dorje's I guess but in Collective Practices it's Namcho).
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Re: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Post by Mantrik » Mon Sep 17, 2018 9:31 pm

Pero wrote:
Mon Sep 17, 2018 9:07 pm
They switched to Ganapuja soon. The Shitro is almost certainly Namcho, I don't recall another one (well there's Changchub Dorje's I guess but in Collective Practices it's Namcho).
Which is the one related to Yangti? I recall a transmission in 2014 but don't remember which one.
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Re: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Post by Josef » Mon Sep 17, 2018 10:32 pm

lelopa wrote:
Mon Sep 17, 2018 9:01 pm
Shitro when a Master dies?!?
Unusual.....
Doesn't make sense. :shrug:
Especially when the master is still alive.
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Re: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Post by Tenma » Tue Sep 18, 2018 1:02 am

Josef wrote:
Mon Sep 17, 2018 10:32 pm
lelopa wrote:
Mon Sep 17, 2018 9:01 pm
Shitro when a Master dies?!?
Unusual.....
Doesn't make sense. :shrug:
Especially when the master is still alive.
Well, that's what his students here told me. They stated they will be doing a Zhitro for him(I think it was Anuyoga) and the Guru Yoga Ah. :shrug:

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Post by Dorje Shedrub » Tue Sep 18, 2018 1:12 am

The webcast cut in and out for me, but reloading helps and is recommended by the webcast team. I greatly appreciated the opportunity for a collective ganapuja since there are no sangha members near me.

Everything I have heard is that we should do guru yoga and ganapuja, rather than Xitro.

Can a senior student answer: could rinpoche's present illness be due to samaya breakages of his disciples?

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Re: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Post by climb-up » Tue Sep 18, 2018 1:39 am

lelopa wrote:
Mon Sep 17, 2018 9:01 pm
Shitro when a Master dies?!?
Unusual.....
Doesn't make sense. :shrug:
Yes, in one of his books he specifically says this is wrong.

For those of us who can't make it to a ganapuja, is the medium thun the equivalent?

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Post by Josef » Tue Sep 18, 2018 2:01 am

Tenma wrote:
Tue Sep 18, 2018 1:02 am
Josef wrote:
Mon Sep 17, 2018 10:32 pm
lelopa wrote:
Mon Sep 17, 2018 9:01 pm
Shitro when a Master dies?!?
Unusual.....
Doesn't make sense. :shrug:
Especially when the master is still alive.
Well, that's what his students here told me. They stated they will be doing a Zhitro for him(I think it was Anuyoga) and the Guru Yoga Ah. :shrug:
We should follow Rinpoches advice.
Kye ma!
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Re: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Post by Johnny Dangerous » Tue Sep 18, 2018 2:29 am

Josef wrote:
Tue Sep 18, 2018 2:01 am
Tenma wrote:
Tue Sep 18, 2018 1:02 am
Josef wrote:
Mon Sep 17, 2018 10:32 pm


Especially when the master is still alive.
Well, that's what his students here told me. They stated they will be doing a Zhitro for him(I think it was Anuyoga) and the Guru Yoga Ah. :shrug:
We should follow Rinpoches advice.

I agree, and IMO the advice was pretty clear.
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Re: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Post by javier.espinoza.t » Tue Sep 18, 2018 3:02 am

lelopa wrote:
Mon Sep 17, 2018 9:01 pm
Shitro when a Master dies?!?
Unusual.....
Doesn't make sense. :shrug:
Shitro in this case is for purify our -we student's-samaya, not for the Buda. ChNN is perfectly fine, he can take care of himself.

it is better to do ganapuya, and behave.
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Re: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Post by Lhasa » Tue Sep 18, 2018 3:41 am

Why ganapuja?

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Re: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Post by oldbob » Tue Sep 18, 2018 3:54 am

viewtopic.php?f=48&t=4052&start=5920#p465509

The Guru Yoga here is ChNNR's usage - being in the state of natural awareness.

This is what is called for when anyone is dying.

If you are distracted, then Shitro, or other practices as the DC websites suggest are fine.

Do your best.

Not an easy time.

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Re: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Post by lelopa » Tue Sep 18, 2018 4:03 am

javier.espinoza.t wrote:
Tue Sep 18, 2018 3:02 am
lelopa wrote:
Mon Sep 17, 2018 9:01 pm
Shitro when a Master dies?!?
Unusual.....
Doesn't make sense. :shrug:
Shitro in this case is for purify our -we student's-samaya, not for the Buda. ChNN is perfectly fine, he can take care of himself.

it is better to do ganapuya, and behave.
ShiTro is also for purifying... but not sooo good for broken samayas i think - there are better practices for that
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Re: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Post by lelopa » Tue Sep 18, 2018 4:07 am

climb-up wrote:
Tue Sep 18, 2018 1:39 am
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Yes, in one of his books he specifically says this is wrong.
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Yes, he took as an example a cheesy movie about Milarepa, where Mila says to the dying Marpa:
"once you helped me - now I can help you..."
ཨོཾ་ཨཱཿཧཱུྃ་བོ་དྷི་ཙིཏྟ་མ་ཧཱ་སུ་ཁ་ཛྙཱ་ན་དྷཱརྟུ་ཨཱཿ

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Re: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Post by Spelare » Tue Sep 18, 2018 4:08 am

Lhasa wrote:
Tue Sep 18, 2018 3:41 am
Why ganapuja?
I believe it's because it contains the most practices for purifying samaya of any DC sadhana. The Ganapuja itself and also the 100-syllable Vajrasattva mantra. In the webcast from Merigar today, they did many repetitions of the brief Ganapuja text "RAM YAM KHAM OM Ā HŪM . . ." and of the Vajrasattva mantra.
Neither person nor skandhas
but stainless wisdom is Buddha.
In knowing ever serene—
I take refuge therein.

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