Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

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Re: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Post by Malcolm » Thu Sep 20, 2018 6:46 pm

Aryjna wrote:
Thu Sep 20, 2018 6:28 pm
Malcolm wrote:
Thu Sep 20, 2018 6:22 pm
Aryjna wrote:
Thu Sep 20, 2018 6:15 pm


http://rywiki.tsadra.org/index.php/spru ... %27khor_lo Looks like it may mean navel center or something related in this case after all :D
It means machine, device, posture, etc.
Is there some reasoning in the meaning based on the two parts of the word in such cases, or is it mostly unrelated?
It is a bad translation.
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Re: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Post by Aryjna » Thu Sep 20, 2018 6:54 pm

Malcolm wrote:
Thu Sep 20, 2018 6:46 pm
Aryjna wrote:
Thu Sep 20, 2018 6:28 pm
Malcolm wrote:
Thu Sep 20, 2018 6:22 pm


It means machine, device, posture, etc.
Is there some reasoning in the meaning based on the two parts of the word in such cases, or is it mostly unrelated?
It is a bad translation.
I mean that the individual meanings of the the two parts trul and khor do not seem to be able to lead to a meaning of 'posture'. Unless this is often not a factor in Tibetan.

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Re: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Post by Malcolm » Thu Sep 20, 2018 7:56 pm

Aryjna wrote:
Thu Sep 20, 2018 6:54 pm
Malcolm wrote:
Thu Sep 20, 2018 6:46 pm
Aryjna wrote:
Thu Sep 20, 2018 6:28 pm

Is there some reasoning in the meaning based on the two parts of the word in such cases, or is it mostly unrelated?
It is a bad translation.
I mean that the individual meanings of the the two parts trul and khor do not seem to be able to lead to a meaning of 'posture'. Unless this is often not a factor in Tibetan.

The Sanskrit equivalent is yantra. Thus it is an inept translation.
Buddhahood in This Life
འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


[A]nything at all that is well spoken is the word of the Buddha.

-- Ārya-adhyāśaya-sañcodana-nāma-mahāyāna-sūtra

The different sūtras in accord with the emptiness
taught by the Sugata are definitive in meaning;
One can understand that all of those Dharmas in
which a sentient being, individual, or person are taught are provisional in meaning.

-- Samadhirāja Sūtra

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Re: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Post by Aryjna » Thu Sep 20, 2018 8:10 pm

Malcolm wrote:
Thu Sep 20, 2018 7:56 pm
Aryjna wrote:
Thu Sep 20, 2018 6:54 pm
Malcolm wrote:
Thu Sep 20, 2018 6:46 pm


It is a bad translation.
I mean that the individual meanings of the the two parts trul and khor do not seem to be able to lead to a meaning of 'posture'. Unless this is often not a factor in Tibetan.

The Sanskrit equivalent is yantra. Thus it is an inept translation.
Thanks, I am just asking out of interest about how this generally works in Tibetan, as I am looking into the language more lately.

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Re: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Post by Malcolm » Thu Sep 20, 2018 10:50 pm

Aryjna wrote:
Thu Sep 20, 2018 8:10 pm
Malcolm wrote:
Thu Sep 20, 2018 7:56 pm
Aryjna wrote:
Thu Sep 20, 2018 6:54 pm


I mean that the individual meanings of the the two parts trul and khor do not seem to be able to lead to a meaning of 'posture'. Unless this is often not a factor in Tibetan.

The Sanskrit equivalent is yantra. Thus it is an inept translation.


Thanks, I am just asking out of interest about how this generally works in Tibetan, as I am looking into the language more lately.
A འཕྲུལ་འཁོར་is a machine.
Buddhahood in This Life
འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


[A]nything at all that is well spoken is the word of the Buddha.

-- Ārya-adhyāśaya-sañcodana-nāma-mahāyāna-sūtra

The different sūtras in accord with the emptiness
taught by the Sugata are definitive in meaning;
One can understand that all of those Dharmas in
which a sentient being, individual, or person are taught are provisional in meaning.

-- Samadhirāja Sūtra

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Re: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Post by Dorje Shedrub » Thu Sep 20, 2018 11:02 pm

Who is leading the Ganapuja webcast?

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Post by Dorje Shedrub » Fri Sep 21, 2018 1:53 am

😓
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Post by javier.espinoza.t » Fri Sep 21, 2018 2:48 am

Dorje Shedrub wrote:
Thu Sep 20, 2018 11:02 pm
Who is leading the Ganapuja webcast?

DS
Adriano is leading the Ganapujas. He is the best umdze -practice leader- on ganapujas (i don't know if on more, havn't checked), and also the main translator of ChNN teachings.
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Post by javier.espinoza.t » Fri Sep 21, 2018 2:49 am

Dorje Shedrub wrote:
Fri Sep 21, 2018 1:53 am
😓
:smile:
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Post by Dorje Shedrub » Fri Sep 21, 2018 3:03 am

javier.espinoza.t wrote:
Fri Sep 21, 2018 2:48 am
Dorje Shedrub wrote:
Thu Sep 20, 2018 11:02 pm
Who is leading the Ganapuja webcast?

DS
Adriano is leading the Ganapujas. He is the best umdze -practice leader- on ganapujas (i don't know if on more, havn't checked), and also the main translator of ChNN teachings.
Thank you :anjali:

I posted tearful face because I had read something that said Rinpoche had improved, but I doughty clarification with the webcast team and they said no and that is just a matter of time...😓

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Re: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Post by javier.espinoza.t » Fri Sep 21, 2018 3:47 am

Dorje Shedrub wrote:
Fri Sep 21, 2018 3:03 am
javier.espinoza.t wrote:
Fri Sep 21, 2018 2:48 am
Dorje Shedrub wrote:
Thu Sep 20, 2018 11:02 pm
Who is leading the Ganapuja webcast?

DS
Adriano is leading the Ganapujas. He is the best umdze -practice leader- on ganapujas (i don't know if on more, havn't checked), and also the main translator of ChNN teachings.
Thank you :anjali:

I posted tearful face because I had read something that said Rinpoche had improved, but I doughty clarification with the webcast team and they said no and that is just a matter of time...😓

DS
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Re: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Post by Aryjna » Fri Sep 21, 2018 4:00 am

Malcolm wrote:
Thu Sep 20, 2018 10:50 pm
Aryjna wrote:
Thu Sep 20, 2018 8:10 pm
Malcolm wrote:
Thu Sep 20, 2018 7:56 pm


The Sanskrit equivalent is yantra. Thus it is an inept translation.


Thanks, I am just asking out of interest about how this generally works in Tibetan, as I am looking into the language more lately.
A འཕྲུལ་འཁོར་is a machine.
Thanks.

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Re: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Post by Hansei » Fri Sep 21, 2018 3:45 pm

It seems there's going to be an explanation of mudras before the Ganapuja start time (17:00 GMT +2). In case someone is interested.

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Post by Josef » Fri Sep 21, 2018 4:12 pm

meepits wrote:
Fri Sep 21, 2018 1:53 pm
This recent emphasis on frequent ganapuja is giving me anxiety as I’ve always struggled with the extremely complex visualizations in the book of Thun & GP - transforming into a series of deities, revolving mantras around a central Hum etc.

Is there a simpler way that a solo practitioner (no groups near me) can purify samaya? I believe Malcolm once mentioned that a simple form of ganapuja was to just chant Om Ah Hum over the food / drink to be offered and to see it as the 5 meats / 5 nectars? But maybe that doesn’t specifically address purification?

I would really appreciate any suggestions. I had always assumed that returning to and maintaining our natural state was more important for a time like this than ganapuja, but I am clearly wrong about this, as so many wise and experienced practitioners are joining in these constant ganapujas. I feel stupid & unprepared. Thanks folks for any advice.
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Post by Johnny Dangerous » Fri Sep 21, 2018 5:40 pm

Pretty borderline IMO, you can find that stuff anywhere, rightly or wrongly. I edited out the comments to be safe though.
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Post by meepits » Fri Sep 21, 2018 6:51 pm

FWIW, the Guruyoga book pages 44 and 45 have been helpful in thinking about this as well.

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Post by Johnny Dangerous » Fri Sep 21, 2018 7:00 pm

BTw, is the livestream working for anyone right now?
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Re: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Post by Pero » Fri Sep 21, 2018 7:03 pm

Mantrik wrote:
Mon Sep 17, 2018 9:31 pm
Pero wrote:
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They switched to Ganapuja soon. The Shitro is almost certainly Namcho, I don't recall another one (well there's Changchub Dorje's I guess but in Collective Practices it's Namcho).
Which is the one related to Yangti? I recall a transmission in 2014 but don't remember which one.
The Namcho one but that's just for Dzogchen Community not in general. Shitro in general is connected to Yangti cycle, I think that's where it actually originates from.
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Re: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Post by Finney » Fri Sep 21, 2018 7:04 pm

Johnny Dangerous wrote:
Fri Sep 21, 2018 7:00 pm
BTw, is the livestream working for anyone right now?
No. Not working for me, either.

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Re: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Post by Mantrik » Fri Sep 21, 2018 7:05 pm

Johnny Dangerous wrote:
Fri Sep 21, 2018 7:00 pm
BTw, is the livestream working for anyone right now?
Not for me.

Just started on 'Practicing Together'.
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