Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

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LhakpaT wrote: Wed Sep 02, 2020 5:30 pm
javier.espinoza.t wrote: Wed Sep 02, 2020 5:16 pm
Mantrik wrote: Wed Sep 02, 2020 4:52 pm
I've not come across it, and just checked the Teachings on the Thun and Ganapuja book. If he hasn't perhaps use the 'Local Guardians of Place and Time'?
dharma isn't widely spread there, so there is no dharmapala. i think.
How many would there have to be?
how nice!

i don't know, nor care cuz i don't teach. i guess there must be a master that makes an agreement or tame the locals and name a chieftan to watch out. like GP did. i mean the amount of faithful people isn't the cause.
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javier.espinoza.t wrote: Wed Sep 02, 2020 5:35 pm prior to the arival of dharma there is no reason for a dharmapala to take over.
But there are buddhist groups in Africa.
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Könchok Thrinley wrote: Wed Sep 02, 2020 6:05 pm
javier.espinoza.t wrote: Wed Sep 02, 2020 5:35 pm prior to the arival of dharma there is no reason for a dharmapala to take over.
But there are buddhist groups in Africa.
The need for a Dharmapala doesn't depend on the beliefs or how many hold them, but on the nature of the practice.
I'm pretty sure there must be Vajrayana practitioners in Africa who practise Tantra at a level which requires a Dharmapala, and that they would have been given that as part of their empowerment if it was needed.

The question was about the continent itself, and I think here what we are discussing is whether there is a 'critical mass' of energies which has created the causes and conditions for there to need to be a defined Protector for that continent.

And so far, we don't know the answer, and so far nobody has replied that ChNN named one. Malcolm maybe knows?
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I know Tenerife is “Spain” but has no one looked at a map? lol
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Pema Yolo wrote: Wed Sep 02, 2020 10:25 pm I know Tenerife is “Spain” but has no one looked at a map? lol
and spain is closer to africa than the canarian islands...

the point is another.
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Need some clarification on a point surrounding Namkha and charts, specific to double elements. Can someone with more than book understanding PM please? Many thanks, I have a few questions.
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Danny wrote: Sat Sep 05, 2020 3:27 pm Need some clarification on a point surrounding Namkha and charts, specific to double elements. Can someone with more than book understanding PM please? Many thanks, I have a few questions.
No need. I figured it out myself.
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Danny wrote: Sat Sep 05, 2020 6:11 pm
Danny wrote: Sat Sep 05, 2020 3:27 pm Need some clarification on a point surrounding Namkha and charts, specific to double elements. Can someone with more than book understanding PM please? Many thanks, I have a few questions.
No need. I figured it out myself.
what are double elements?
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javier.espinoza.t wrote: Tue Sep 08, 2020 12:24 am
Danny wrote: Sat Sep 05, 2020 6:11 pm
Danny wrote: Sat Sep 05, 2020 3:27 pm Need some clarification on a point surrounding Namkha and charts, specific to double elements. Can someone with more than book understanding PM please? Many thanks, I have a few questions.
No need. I figured it out myself.
what are double elements?
Water+water = deep water, and is in conflict with other elements of mewa etc.
Simplist way to describe it.
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Danny wrote: Tue Sep 08, 2020 12:51 am
javier.espinoza.t wrote: Tue Sep 08, 2020 12:24 am
Danny wrote: Sat Sep 05, 2020 6:11 pm

No need. I figured it out myself.
what are double elements?
Water+water = deep water, and is in conflict with other elements of mewa etc.
Simplist way to describe it.
To have it harmonious, balance with other elements just complicates things, but it’s doable,
Ya know! Mother-son, friend-enemy type of thing.
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Danny wrote: Tue Sep 08, 2020 12:53 am
Danny wrote: Tue Sep 08, 2020 12:51 am
javier.espinoza.t wrote: Tue Sep 08, 2020 12:24 am

what are double elements?
Water+water = deep water, and is in conflict with other elements of mewa etc.
Simplist way to describe it.
To have it harmonious, balance with other elements just complicates things, but it’s doable,
Ya know! Mother-son, friend-enemy type of thing.
water+water can consolidate into deep water, but ¿do the other elements also consolidate in this way?
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javier.espinoza.t wrote: Tue Sep 08, 2020 9:59 pm
Danny wrote: Tue Sep 08, 2020 12:53 am
Danny wrote: Tue Sep 08, 2020 12:51 am

Water+water = deep water, and is in conflict with other elements of mewa etc.
Simplist way to describe it.
To have it harmonious, balance with other elements just complicates things, but it’s doable,
Ya know! Mother-son, friend-enemy type of thing.
water+water can consolidate into deep water, but ¿do the other elements also consolidate in this way?
I checked and it only says water - #2
It says identical elements are harmonious, earth+earth, wood and wood etc, so yes they do stack, so harmony with themselves, but not with other elements if they fall on the friend/enemy clockwise anti clockwise relationship chart. If you think that a normal element is in conflict with another, what a double “deeper” element creates?
Short life? Stupidity? Bad luck? Lol
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Danny wrote: Tue Sep 08, 2020 10:52 pm
javier.espinoza.t wrote: Tue Sep 08, 2020 9:59 pm
Danny wrote: Tue Sep 08, 2020 12:53 am

To have it harmonious, balance with other elements just complicates things, but it’s doable,
Ya know! Mother-son, friend-enemy type of thing.
water+water can consolidate into deep water, but ¿do the other elements also consolidate in this way?
I checked and it only says water - #2
It says identical elements are harmonious, earth+earth, wood and wood etc, so yes they do stack, so harmony with themselves, but not with other elements if they fall on the friend/enemy clockwise anti clockwise relationship chart. If you think that a normal element is in conflict with another, what a double “deeper” element creates?
Short life? Stupidity? Bad luck? Lol
no, i meant that if other elements than water may "stack" like wate. for example water+water makes another situation, but, if i understood well, fire+fire means more of the same.
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What's a good DC practice to do before moving into a new house? I was thinking of doing a Sang and Ganapuja at the new place before I start shifting my stuff over. That should cover everything, right?
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Ignorant_Fool wrote: Sun Sep 20, 2020 8:08 am What's a good DC practice to do before moving into a new house? I was thinking of doing a Sang and Ganapuja at the new place before I start shifting my stuff over. That should cover everything, right?
i think yes.
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javier.espinoza.t wrote: Sun Sep 20, 2020 12:25 pm i think yes.
Thanks, Javier.
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Ignorant_Fool wrote: Sun Sep 20, 2020 3:18 pm
javier.espinoza.t wrote: Sun Sep 20, 2020 12:25 pm i think yes.
Thanks, Javier.
Ganapuja and sang is definitely a good idea. Also SoV empowers a place where it is sang, so slowly slowly it should be good.
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Anyone has a online version of "stairway to liberation"?
Im looking for some written support for a retreat on the rushens from the dra thal gyur.

https://shop.shangshungfoundation.com/e ... 02507.html

Does this book contain the SMS rushens of Ratna Lingpa or the ones from the dra thal gyur?
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Tata1 wrote: Sat Sep 26, 2020 5:45 pm Anyone has a online version of "stairway to liberation"?
Im looking for some written support for a retreat on the rushens from the dra thal gyur.

https://shop.shangshungfoundation.com/e ... 02507.html

Does this book contain the SMS rushens of Ratna Lingpa or the ones from the dra thal gyur?
I think the rushens that you are looking are the one called "resting in naturalness" and "sustaining freshness" because I noticed that was what Elio was teaching. Never read anything on that from ChNNR that I can recall but they do exist in other Dzogchen teaching I got.

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heart wrote: Thu Aug 20, 2020 9:03 pm Perhaps with this we can discuss what really happened and what the situation actually is.
On Friday, August 14, an online meeting of the Gakyil and instructors of the International Dzogchen Community took place with Yeshi Namkhai, the son of Chögyal Namkhai Norbu. This was the second meeting, the first took place on August 9, attended by international gakyil and SMS instructors, and after that additional clarifications were required for a wider audience.

At the meeting, Yeshi Namkhai answered questions about the Dzogchen Community, transmission, etc. Here is a short summary of what we heard (all mistakes are on the narrator's conscience):

1) He helped the community for many years at the request of his father - until 2014, when he left the community. He no longer intends to have anything to do with it, other than tracking the correct use of the name Chögyal Namkhai Norbu.

2) He does not consider himself obligated to support the transmission of Chögyal Namkhai Norbu in line with the traditions of the community. Doesn't want to teach within the framework and context of the community.

3) He does not believe that he is the holder of the Longsal cycle and has the right to give Direct Introduction and lungs to community practices. He believes that no one is authorized to give Direct Introduction in the Chögyal Namkhai Norbu lineage.

4) In April 2020, he was going to give an explanation of the principles of Dzogchen (not Direct Introduction) in Merigar West to specially selected novices who wanted to study Rinpoche's teachings so that they could read literature for the community. But the event was canceled due to the epidemic, and Yeshi also found that the participants had little idea that they were going to study who Chögyal Namkhai Norbu was, etc.

5) He is not religious, not traditional, does not believe in reincarnation. Buddhist traditional lineages and methods of explanation do not interest him and he does not intend to support them. This is not his life, he is a Western man.

6) Regarding the history of the Dzogchen Community, The Blue Book was written personally by Chögyal Namkhai Norbu and he [Yeshi] considered it very important. While much of it is outdated, it is still the starting point for community issues.

7) He does not intend to make any official announcements for the community, since he does not consider himself bound by any obligations to it.

Yeshi Namkhai insisted that the meeting should not be recorded in any way, therefore, unfortunately, we cannot provide you with a recording, but can only summarize what we heard.
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Could you please tell us the source for this? A friend of mine was very concerned about the situation and I sent her this, she asked me the source and I said it probably was sent in Norbunet. As I have unsubscribe from Norbunet (after receiving those cryptic confusing e-mails) I can't check this by my own. Thank you very much!
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