Kunjed Gyalpo:The Supreme Source

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Re: Kunjed Gyalpo:The Supreme Source

Post by Malcolm » Tue Jul 30, 2013 9:23 pm

mutsuk wrote: Jim Valby knows and understands what he translates.
Yes, I agree.

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Re: Kunjed Gyalpo:The Supreme Source

Post by Dorje Shedrub » Tue Jul 30, 2013 10:25 pm

Thanks everyone for the informarion. When I first read this I knew it was the best book I had ever read.
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And for as long as living beings remain,
Until then may I, too, abide
To dispel the misery of the world.
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Re: Kunjed Gyalpo:The Supreme Source

Post by dzogchungpa » Thu Aug 01, 2013 1:50 am

mutsuk wrote:I mean, her book displays nearly as many translation mistakes as Ann Klein's Unbounded Wholeness...
Tell us what you really think, mutsuk :smile:
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Re: Kunjed Gyalpo:The Supreme Source

Post by mutsuk » Thu Aug 01, 2013 7:34 am

What I really think is that Jim Valby's work on the Kun-byed eclipses other translations published so far of the same root-text. It is clear Dargyay did not understand what she "translated". Her explanation about feminizing the King (rgyal po in Kun byed rgyal po) into a Queen is simply ridiculous. It is just as stupid as Janet Gyatso explaining that the natural state is beyond gender but is nevertheless feminine... Who lacks a brain ?

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Re: Kunjed Gyalpo:The Supreme Source

Post by more urgent jest » Tue Nov 28, 2017 11:23 pm

the bits that Keith Dowman translated, in Eye of the Storm or Original Perfection, are an interesting counterpoint.

http://keithdowman.net/books/vairotsana ... storm.html

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Post by tingdzin » Wed Nov 29, 2017 7:52 am

mutsuk wrote:
Thu Aug 01, 2013 7:34 am
It is just as stupid as Janet Gyatso explaining that the natural state is beyond gender but is nevertheless feminine...
Did she really do this? Care to tell us where, exactly? Her Apparitions is one of the most useful books on Vajrayana interpretation I have read, possibly because she included so much stuff from teachers like Khyentse and Chatral Rinpoches.

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Post by ugyen » Sat May 05, 2018 7:32 pm

Fa Dao wrote:
Thu May 26, 2011 11:43 pm
Been reading this book lately. Just have to say...what an incredibly cool and entertaining way to present the Dzogchen Teachings!!! It's as though one were having a conversation with the Enlightened Nature...very cool...makes me laugh with joy
i was told that kunjed gyalpo is root text to samdhi and if someone can tel me is there any root text to longde????

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Post by Grigoris » Sat May 05, 2018 8:22 pm

I think I will wait for this: Volume 8, root text, chapters 1-84, with Tibetan critical edition, Sep-2019 to come out!
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The Supreme Source - The Kunjed Gyalpo
The Fundamental Tantra of Dzogchen Semde

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Post by Norwegian » Sat May 05, 2018 8:46 pm

Grigoris wrote:
Sat May 05, 2018 8:22 pm
I think I will wait for this: Volume 8, root text, chapters 1-84, with Tibetan critical edition, Sep-2019 to come out!
The root text of course is important, but I would say that having the commentary and the root text, is perhaps even more important, considering that this is a difficult text (it's a Dzogchen tantra after all). And so Jim Valby has done a great service by translating Khenpo Zhenphen Öser's commentary with the root text. His commentary really expands greatly on the root verses.

So don't just go for the root text alone, get all of his translated volumes (six out so far, containing chapters 1 to 84 with commentary).

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Post by Kunga Lhadzom » Sat May 05, 2018 8:47 pm

I got this book a few weeks ago because of this thread :meditate:
haven't started reading it yet...next on my list...
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Post by Virgo » Sun May 06, 2018 1:27 am

Kunga Lhadzom wrote:
Sat May 05, 2018 8:47 pm
I got this book a few weeks ago because of this thread :meditate:
It is a tantra of the Dzogchen.

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Post by Kunga Lhadzom » Sun May 06, 2018 3:14 am

Virgo wrote:
Sun May 06, 2018 1:27 am
Kunga Lhadzom wrote:
Sat May 05, 2018 8:47 pm
I got this book a few weeks ago because of this thread :meditate:
It is a tantra of the Dzogchen.

Kevin

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Post by Virgo » Sun May 06, 2018 3:35 am

Kunga Lhadzom wrote:
Sun May 06, 2018 3:14 am


Is it restricted ?
I don't believe so.

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Post by Virgo » Sun May 06, 2018 3:50 am

Hope you enjoy it. :thumbsup:

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Post by Grigoris » Sun May 06, 2018 8:37 am

Norwegian wrote:
Sat May 05, 2018 8:46 pm
Grigoris wrote:
Sat May 05, 2018 8:22 pm
I think I will wait for this: Volume 8, root text, chapters 1-84, with Tibetan critical edition, Sep-2019 to come out!
The root text of course is important, but I would say that having the commentary and the root text, is perhaps even more important, considering that this is a difficult text (it's a Dzogchen tantra after all). And so Jim Valby has done a great service by translating Khenpo Zhenphen Öser's commentary with the root text. His commentary really expands greatly on the root verses.

So don't just go for the root text alone, get all of his translated volumes (six out so far, containing chapters 1 to 84 with commentary).
I am a big fan of root texts. I like to go into a text without preconceived notions of it's meaning and then when I am finished to seek out clarification where needed (from my teachers). It is more of an adventure that way. I do the same thing with movies, music, travel, etc... Sometimes I may miss a detail here or there, but one can always go back. ;)
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Jetsun Milarepa 1052-1135 CE

"Butchers, prostitutes, those guilty of the five most heinous crimes, outcasts, the underprivileged: all are utterly the substance of existence and nothing other than total bliss."
The Supreme Source - The Kunjed Gyalpo
The Fundamental Tantra of Dzogchen Semde

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Re: Kunjed Gyalpo:The Supreme Source

Post by Kunga Lhadzom » Sun May 06, 2018 5:31 pm

Norwegian wrote:
Sat May 05, 2018 8:46 pm
this is a difficult text (it's a Dzogchen tantra after all).
Why would a Dzogchen Tantra be difficult ?

I haven't read it yet...but will begin reading it today...
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Re: Kunjed Gyalpo:The Supreme Source

Post by florin » Sun May 06, 2018 5:39 pm

Kunga Lhadzom wrote:
Sun May 06, 2018 5:31 pm
Norwegian wrote:
Sat May 05, 2018 8:46 pm
this is a difficult text (it's a Dzogchen tantra after all).
Why would a Dzogchen Tantra be difficult ?

I haven't read it yet...but will begin reading it today...
Because dzogchen is difficult.
The nature of diverse phenomena is non-dual. This means that both pure vision and impure vision are a manifestation of the energy of the primordial state. Even though in reality there is no duality, everything manifests separately. KG

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Re: Kunjed Gyalpo:The Supreme Source

Post by Josef » Sun May 06, 2018 6:45 pm

Kunga Lhadzom wrote:
Sun May 06, 2018 5:31 pm
Norwegian wrote:
Sat May 05, 2018 8:46 pm
this is a difficult text (it's a Dzogchen tantra after all).
Why would a Dzogchen Tantra be difficult ?

I haven't read it yet...but will begin reading it today...
Tantras in general are tightly packed and hold a lot of symbolic language etc.
They are a challenging category of literature.
Kye ma!
The river of continuity is marked by impermanence.
Ceaseless flowing of appearance.
Beautiful and repulsive.
The dance of life and death is a display of the vast expanse.
With gratitude the watcher and the watched pass through the barrier of duality.

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Re: Kunjed Gyalpo:The Supreme Source

Post by Dorje Shedrub » Sun May 06, 2018 7:39 pm

ChNN's The Supreme Source is one of my favorites.
For as long as space endures
And for as long as living beings remain,
Until then may I, too, abide
To dispel the misery of the world.
- Shantideva, The Way of the Bodhisattva

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Re: Kunjed Gyalpo:The Supreme Source

Post by Kunga Lhadzom » Sun May 06, 2018 10:29 pm

Josef wrote:
Sun May 06, 2018 6:45 pm
Tantras in general are tightly packed and hold a lot of symbolic language etc.
They are a challenging category of literature.
Yes..similar to poetry reading/writing ?

I also read something once... about how some aliens can condense thousands/millions of words/concepts into just a few words .

Anyways....im on pg. 52 so far....loving it.....
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