No, thats Karma Ling, Lama Denuys place. Lots of places in France.
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No, thats Karma Ling, Lama Denuys place. Lots of places in France.
I can't speak about this because I've never done lengthy retreat, but to me the idea of being cramped up in a small place with 10-20 strangers sounds like a nightmare. If I were to do retreat, it'd have to be solitary retreat. Not that I think that'd be a walk in the park, but ... solitary over a group of strangers.Malcolm wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 8:50 pmI did a 3.5 year solitary retreat. It was great. On the other hand, I had a bit of difficulty adjusting to normal life when I got out, but even so, it was very much worth it.florin wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 8:40 pmLet's not cling to " should". These retreats, especially when you are cooped up with 10 or 20 other prople of all kinds of inclinations temperaments and knowledge can be terribly intense and unpleasant. But some fare better than others.
I only did one month of nyunye retreat and by the end of it i felt like i finished a 10 years prison sentence.
How about 4 years?
Thanks.No, thats Karma Ling, Lama Denuys place. Lots of places in France.
Lama Norlha wouldn’t allow his people to do solitary retreats because without irritating people to provoke your defilements you might believe you’re getting somewhere. With irritation you see how your mind really is.I can't speak about this because I've never done lengthy retreat, but to me the idea of being cramped up in a small place with 10-20 strangers sounds like a nightmare. If I were to do retreat, it'd have to be solitary retreat. Not that I think that'd be a walk in the park, but ... solitary over a group of strangers.
From personal experience I can tell you that when you are in solitary retreat you can find all kinds of things irritating.
I believe Nalanda monastery are setting up retreat cabins in the Pyrenees. And, you can do a short solitary retreat at Land of Joy, the FPMT retreat centre in the UK.
Thanks, I didn't know about the Land of Joy.Lobsang Chojor wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 10:23 pmI believe Nalanda monastery are setting up retreat cabins in the Pyrenees. And, you can do a short solitary retreat at Land of Joy, the FPMT retreat centre in the UK.
It's a lovely place, you can only really do solitary retreat in December because the schedule is busy at the moment, although as the centre grows it will have more accommodation space allowing for more individual retreats.Aryjna wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 10:51 pmThanks, I didn't know about the Land of Joy.Lobsang Chojor wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 10:23 pmI believe Nalanda monastery are setting up retreat cabins in the Pyrenees. And, you can do a short solitary retreat at Land of Joy, the FPMT retreat centre in the UK.
No. It is a Karma Kagyu retreat center associated with Karmapa Thaye Trinley Dorje called Dhagpo Kagyu Ling. It had been pumping out top notch practitioners and lama since it's founding in 1975 under the direction of Gendeun Rinpoche (who was sent to France by the 16th Karmpa).
Who in particular?Grigoris wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 7:35 amNo. It is a Karma Kagyu retreat center associated with Karmapa Thaye Trinley Dorje called Dhagpo Kagyu Ling. It had been pumping out top notch practitioners and lama since it's founding in 1975 under the direction of Gendeun Rinpoche (who was sent to France by the 16th Karmpa).
Basically Westerners are very anti-social iwhen in tight places where they can't really get away from each other.smcj wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 9:18 pmLama Norlha wouldn’t allow his people to do solitary retreats because without irritating people to provoke your defilements you might believe you’re getting somewhere. With irritation you see how your mind really is.Norwegian wrote: I can't speak about this because I've never done lengthy retreat, but to me the idea of being cramped up in a small place with 10-20 strangers sounds like a nightmare. If I were to do retreat, it'd have to be solitary retreat. Not that I think that'd be a walk in the park, but ... solitary over a group of strangers.
Well, apart from my friend Lama Joseph who is currently completing a 12 year, there is my friend Lama Maria who completed 9 years, my friend Lama Daphne who also completed 9 years and is a vow holding bhikshuni living in a mountain retreat center in northern Greece. These are just (part of) the Greek Sangha that graduated from the specific retreat center. I could go on, but it would be rather boring...amanitamusc wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 7:44 amWho in particular?Grigoris wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 7:35 amNo. It is a Karma Kagyu retreat center associated with Karmapa Thaye Trinley Dorje called Dhagpo Kagyu Ling. It had been pumping out top notch practitioners and lama since it's founding in 1975 under the direction of Gendeun Rinpoche (who was sent to France by the 16th Karmpa).
It looks like they had separate rooms. You cannot really call this significantly more cramped than any other place where there is communal living, like the army, or even a university dorm.kirtu wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 8:44 amBasically Westerners are very anti-social iwhen in tight places where they can't really get away from each other.smcj wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 9:18 pmLama Norlha wouldn’t allow his people to do solitary retreats because without irritating people to provoke your defilements you might believe you’re getting somewhere. With irritation you see how your mind really is.Norwegian wrote: I can't speak about this because I've never done lengthy retreat, but to me the idea of being cramped up in a small place with 10-20 strangers sounds like a nightmare. If I were to do retreat, it'd have to be solitary retreat. Not that I think that'd be a walk in the park, but ... solitary over a group of strangers.
"Lazy Lama" is filmed in the context of a 3 year retreat. 50% of the retreatants dropped out. However the reactions that those who remained had in the post-retreat interview speaks volumes.
Kirt
And they still couldn't get along! This was part of my point.Aryjna wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 10:10 amIt looks like they had separate rooms. You cannot really call this significantly more cramped than any other place where there is communal living, like the army, or even a university dorm.kirtu wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 8:44 amBasically Westerners are very anti-social iwhen in tight places where they can't really get away from each other.
"Lazy Lama" is filmed in the context of a 3 year retreat. 50% of the retreatants dropped out. However the reactions that those who remained had in the post-retreat interview speaks volumes.
Kirt
That is correct although I have read of Tibetan retreats where people did live in separate (but possibly shared) rooms. I was shocked to see a video from a 3 year nuns retreat in which they were all actually in the same room.I was getting the impression that people practice and sleep together in a medium sized room in this kind of retreats.
I think having a separate room would make a retreat of this kind quite comfortable, as far as being annoyed by others goes. Sleeping and practicing in the same room could make it horrible and it is a very big difference, but it depends I suppose, as you will be constantly practicing anyway.kirtu wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 10:21 amAnd they still couldn't get along! This was part of my point.Aryjna wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 10:10 amIt looks like they had separate rooms. You cannot really call this significantly more cramped than any other place where there is communal living, like the army, or even a university dorm.kirtu wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 8:44 am
Basically Westerners are very anti-social iwhen in tight places where they can't really get away from each other.
"Lazy Lama" is filmed in the context of a 3 year retreat. 50% of the retreatants dropped out. However the reactions that those who remained had in the post-retreat interview speaks volumes.
Kirt
That is correct although I have read of Tibetan retreats where people did live in separate (but possibly shared) rooms. I was shocked to see a video from a 3 year nuns retreat in which they were all actually in the same room.I was getting the impression that people practice and sleep together in a medium sized room in this kind of retreats.
Kirt
Sleep?
Ah yes, looks like this was the case in the retreat in that video, as they only had a meditation box in their rooms. I am mostly trying to understand what can be so horrible in a retreat that will scar someone for life and make them stop practicing.
The 6 yogas are taught in the last 6 months of the 3 year retreat. 1 month per yoga.Sleep/Dream yoga is part of the Kagyu curriculim and believe me, when you do Sleep/Dream yoga, you do not sleep! Not like we common folk know sleep.
Being confronted by your own karmic (getting sick, etc.), emotional, and mental obscurations can be traumatic. In fact they can increase if you haven’t got Refuge, renunciation and bodhicitta. Or nothing can happen and it’s all just beating your head on a wall. Or you could have a psycho in the room next door. Or you can become the psycho, getting a big head.Ah yes, looks like this was the case in the retreat in that video, as they only had a meditation box in their rooms. I am mostly trying to understand what can be so horrible in a retreat that will scar someone for life and make them stop practicing.