Can a complete beginner benefit from Dzogchen practice?

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Re: Can a complete beginner benefit from Dzogchen practice?

Post by kalden yungdrung » Sat Nov 05, 2011 2:19 pm

Tashi delek,

Yes Dzogchen teachings are a good way to train the mind.

In addition:

- But what (is) mind ?
- Is not all mind ?
- Where is illusion and where not ?
- Does it end with the subject or object or both?

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Re: Can a complete beginner benefit from Dzogchen practice?

Post by Pero » Sat Nov 05, 2011 2:49 pm

Namdrol wrote: if you follow a master like ChNN -- you will become a sane human being, even without studying Abhidharma and so on.
Define "sane human being". :D
Although many individuals in this age appear to be merely indulging their worldly desires, one does not have the capacity to judge them, so it is best to train in pure vision.
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Re: Can a complete beginner benefit from Dzogchen practice?

Post by Sönam » Sat Nov 05, 2011 4:04 pm

Pero wrote:
Namdrol wrote: if you follow a master like ChNN -- you will become a sane human being, even without studying Abhidharma and so on.
Define "sane human being". :D
nearly "pure being" no? :twothumbsup:
By understanding everything you perceive from the perspective of the view, you are freed from the constraints of philosophical beliefs.
By understanding that any and all mental activity is meditation, you are freed from arbitrary divisions between formal sessions and postmeditation activity.
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Re: Can a complete beginner benefit from Dzogchen practice?

Post by Karma Dondrup Tashi » Sat Nov 05, 2011 6:39 pm

One without obscurations.
Being without love would be the most appalling torment - the Inferno itself! [...] [A]ll those who have chosen the way of depersonalisation are unable to cry and [...] they have dry eyes for ever. For it is the personality which cries and which alone is capable of the "gift of tears".

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Re: Can a complete beginner benefit from Dzogchen practice?

Post by Kunga Lhadzom » Sun Mar 18, 2018 8:09 pm

What exactly would a beginner be practicing first ?
I consider myself a beginner. I had direct pointing out via webcast. Attended a few other webcasts.
Attended the Lung (VIA WEBCAST) for Malcolms book, BUDDHA IN THIS LIFETIME..
But i don't know what i should be doing as far as practice.
Is it necessary to become a MEMBER of the Dzogchen community ?

THANK YOU

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Re: Can a complete beginner benefit from Dzogchen practice?

Post by Malcolm » Sun Mar 18, 2018 8:13 pm

Kunga Lhadzom wrote:
Sun Mar 18, 2018 8:09 pm
What exactly would a beginner be practicing first ?
I consider myself a beginner. I had direct pointing out via webcast. Attended a few other webcasts.
Attended the Lung (VIA WEBCAST) for Malcolms book, BUDDHA IN THIS LIFETIME..
But i don't know what i should be doing as far as practice.
Is it necessary to become a MEMBER of the Dzogchen community ?

THANK YOU

:namaste:
Ngondro.
Buddhahood in This Life
འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


[A]nything at all that is well spoken is the word of the Buddha.

-- Ārya-adhyāśaya-sañcodana-nāma-mahāyāna-sūtra

The different sūtras in accord with the emptiness
taught by the Sugata are definitive in meaning;
One can understand that all of those Dharmas in
which a sentient being, individual, or person are taught are provisional in meaning.

-- Samadhirāja Sūtra

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Re: Can a complete beginner benefit from Dzogchen practice?

Post by Kunga Lhadzom » Sun Mar 18, 2018 8:17 pm

Malcolm wrote:
Sun Mar 18, 2018 8:13 pm
Ngondro.
Oy vey....

i started it many years ago...but stopped....so i just pick up where i left off or start over... ?


Thank you Malcolm :heart:
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Re: Can a complete beginner benefit from Dzogchen practice?

Post by Malcolm » Sun Mar 18, 2018 8:22 pm

Kunga Lhadzom wrote:
Sun Mar 18, 2018 8:17 pm
Malcolm wrote:
Sun Mar 18, 2018 8:13 pm
Ngondro.
Oy vey....

i started it many years ago...but stopped....so i just pick up where i left off or start over... ?


Thank you Malcolm :heart:
Start over fresh if you did not get very far, otherwise, pick up where you left off.
Buddhahood in This Life
འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


[A]nything at all that is well spoken is the word of the Buddha.

-- Ārya-adhyāśaya-sañcodana-nāma-mahāyāna-sūtra

The different sūtras in accord with the emptiness
taught by the Sugata are definitive in meaning;
One can understand that all of those Dharmas in
which a sentient being, individual, or person are taught are provisional in meaning.

-- Samadhirāja Sūtra

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Re: Can a complete beginner benefit from Dzogchen practice?

Post by Kunga Lhadzom » Sun Mar 18, 2018 8:27 pm

Malcolm wrote:
Sun Mar 18, 2018 8:22 pm
Start over fresh if you did not get very far, otherwise, pick up where you left off.
OK...

I only did about 300 :emb:
then i read something that let me cheat...so i thought i got away with it... :jumping:


:emb:
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Re: Can a complete beginner benefit from Dzogchen practice?

Post by Malcolm » Sun Mar 18, 2018 8:28 pm

Kunga Lhadzom wrote:
Sun Mar 18, 2018 8:27 pm
Malcolm wrote:
Sun Mar 18, 2018 8:22 pm
Start over fresh if you did not get very far, otherwise, pick up where you left off.
OK...

I only did about 300 :emb:
then i read something that let me cheat...so i thought i got away with it... :jumping:


:emb:
You can also just do Ati Guru Yoga. Or you can do both.
Buddhahood in This Life
འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


[A]nything at all that is well spoken is the word of the Buddha.

-- Ārya-adhyāśaya-sañcodana-nāma-mahāyāna-sūtra

The different sūtras in accord with the emptiness
taught by the Sugata are definitive in meaning;
One can understand that all of those Dharmas in
which a sentient being, individual, or person are taught are provisional in meaning.

-- Samadhirāja Sūtra

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Re: Can a complete beginner benefit from Dzogchen practice?

Post by Kunga Lhadzom » Sun Mar 18, 2018 8:31 pm

Malcolm wrote:
Sun Mar 18, 2018 8:28 pm
You can also just do Ati Guru Yoga. Or you can do both.
How exactly do you practice Ati Guru Yoga ?
I think doing both would be beneficial for me...

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Re: Can a complete beginner benefit from Dzogchen practice?

Post by Malcolm » Sun Mar 18, 2018 8:39 pm

Kunga Lhadzom wrote:
Sun Mar 18, 2018 8:31 pm
Malcolm wrote:
Sun Mar 18, 2018 8:28 pm
You can also just do Ati Guru Yoga. Or you can do both.
How exactly do you practice Ati Guru Yoga ?
I think doing both would be beneficial for me...

:anjali:
Start with ngondro.
Buddhahood in This Life
འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


[A]nything at all that is well spoken is the word of the Buddha.

-- Ārya-adhyāśaya-sañcodana-nāma-mahāyāna-sūtra

The different sūtras in accord with the emptiness
taught by the Sugata are definitive in meaning;
One can understand that all of those Dharmas in
which a sentient being, individual, or person are taught are provisional in meaning.

-- Samadhirāja Sūtra

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Re: Can a complete beginner benefit from Dzogchen practice?

Post by Kunga Lhadzom » Sun Mar 18, 2018 8:40 pm

Malcolm wrote:
Sun Mar 18, 2018 8:39 pm
Start with ngondro.
OK


Thank you Malcolm :heart:




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Post by Motova » Sun Mar 18, 2018 10:10 pm

:twothumbsup:

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Re: Can a complete beginner benefit from Dzogchen practice?

Post by chimechodra » Mon Mar 19, 2018 2:54 am

Malcolm wrote:
Sun Mar 18, 2018 8:13 pm
Kunga Lhadzom wrote:
Sun Mar 18, 2018 8:09 pm
What exactly would a beginner be practicing first ?
I consider myself a beginner. I had direct pointing out via webcast. Attended a few other webcasts.
Attended the Lung (VIA WEBCAST) for Malcolms book, BUDDHA IN THIS LIFETIME..
But i don't know what i should be doing as far as practice.
Is it necessary to become a MEMBER of the Dzogchen community ?

THANK YOU

:namaste:
Ngondro.
Tantric or Dzogchen ngondro?

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Re: Can a complete beginner benefit from Dzogchen practice?

Post by Malcolm » Mon Mar 19, 2018 5:08 am

chimechodra wrote:
Mon Mar 19, 2018 2:54 am
Malcolm wrote:
Sun Mar 18, 2018 8:13 pm
Kunga Lhadzom wrote:
Sun Mar 18, 2018 8:09 pm
What exactly would a beginner be practicing first ?
I consider myself a beginner. I had direct pointing out via webcast. Attended a few other webcasts.
Attended the Lung (VIA WEBCAST) for Malcolms book, BUDDHA IN THIS LIFETIME..
But i don't know what i should be doing as far as practice.
Is it necessary to become a MEMBER of the Dzogchen community ?

THANK YOU

:namaste:
Ngondro.
Tantric or Dzogchen ngondro?
Gathering accumulations and purification.
Buddhahood in This Life
འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


[A]nything at all that is well spoken is the word of the Buddha.

-- Ārya-adhyāśaya-sañcodana-nāma-mahāyāna-sūtra

The different sūtras in accord with the emptiness
taught by the Sugata are definitive in meaning;
One can understand that all of those Dharmas in
which a sentient being, individual, or person are taught are provisional in meaning.

-- Samadhirāja Sūtra

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Re: Can a complete beginner benefit from Dzogchen practice?

Post by smcj » Mon Mar 19, 2018 6:37 am

Tantric or Dzogchen ngondro?
I’ve never heard of a separate “Dzogchen NgonDro”.
I support Mingyur R and HHDL in their positions against Lama abuse.

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Re: Can a complete beginner benefit from Dzogchen practice?

Post by PSM » Mon Mar 19, 2018 11:42 am

smcj wrote:
Mon Mar 19, 2018 6:37 am
Tantric or Dzogchen ngondro?
I’ve never heard of a separate “Dzogchen NgonDro”.
That's Semdzin and Rushen. Jim Valby talks about this a lot in his seminars.

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Re: Can a complete beginner benefit from Dzogchen practice?

Post by florin » Mon Mar 19, 2018 12:35 pm

smcj wrote:
Mon Mar 19, 2018 6:37 am
Tantric or Dzogchen ngondro?
I’ve never heard of a separate “Dzogchen NgonDro”.
The 7 lojongs, semdzins, outer, inner and secret rushen from upadesha class, no?
Working with the essence of the elements, 6 lokas from sems de?
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Re: Can a complete beginner benefit from Dzogchen practice?

Post by Norwegian » Mon Mar 19, 2018 1:54 pm

florin wrote:
Mon Mar 19, 2018 12:35 pm
smcj wrote:
Mon Mar 19, 2018 6:37 am
Tantric or Dzogchen ngondro?
I’ve never heard of a separate “Dzogchen NgonDro”.
The 7 lojongs, semdzins, outer, inner and secret rushen from upadesha class, no?
Working with the essence of the elements, 6 lokas from sems de?
smcj does not practice or study Dzogchen. That's why he has no idea.

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