gad rgyangs wrote:Namdrol wrote:Those who have completed the fourth vision experience the universe arising as the basis [snang srid gzhir bzhengs].
what is the "basis" of that experience? it can't be the same basis, as that would be circular.
Fascinating thread with a lot of words I don't fully understand, but the word 'origin', like 'primordial' which sometimes pops up (in terms of wisdom) could leave one with the impression that there is a defined 'beginning' to be found.
I've not seen any evidence yet of this 'beginning' so I'll stick with the continuum I observe all around me - and yes, that 'circular' concept makes more sense to me in terms of this thread. Phenomena do not have to arise from an ultimate origin, only from that which immediately precedes them.
That's my 'twopennorth' (two pennies' worth) from times when money was not formless or in the bardo.