Eliminate all delusion regarding the basis with dream yoga?
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Eliminate all delusion regarding the basis with dream yoga?
Can one eliminate all delusion regarding the basis with dream yoga?
Re: Can one finish whole path with dream yoga?
This is completely hypothetical except in the case of coma patients. To even get into dreams of clarity regularly you need some practice in your waking life.
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Re: Eliminate all delusion regarding the basis with dream yoga?
ChNN is not in a coma, and practices dream yoga all the time.Sherlock wrote:This is completely hypothetical except in the case of coma patients.
I'm just not sure if dream yoga can be used to eliminate all delusion regarding the basis.
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Re: Eliminate all delusion regarding the basis with dream yoga?
I would presume that delusion has do to with the psychosomatic function in the brain.
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Wesley1982 wrote:I would presume that delusion has do with the psychosomatic function in the brain.
No it comes from neutral awareness (sh shes pa lung ma bstan) not recognizing itself.
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Oh, then I must be referring to something else. Cognition or Cognitive function?..not sure but "delusion" does and can happen.SSJ3Gogeta wrote:No it comes from neutral awareness (sh shes pa lung ma bstan) not recognizing itself.
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Re: Eliminate all delusion regarding the basis with dream yoga?
Definitely can.
However, there is always a question of what do you mean by the elimination of all delusions?
Do you mean that when someone hits you, your anger will no longer appear?
However, there is always a question of what do you mean by the elimination of all delusions?
Do you mean that when someone hits you, your anger will no longer appear?
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I am not right nor wrong.
I do not exist neither non-exist.
I am not I nor non-I.
I am not in samsara nor nirvana.
To All Buddhas, I bow down for the teaching of emptiness. Thank You!
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Re: Eliminate all delusion regarding the basis with dream yoga?
Whats so hard to understand about the basis (gzhi)?
If you guys don't understand dzogchen upadesha.......
If you guys don't understand dzogchen upadesha.......
Re: Eliminate all delusion regarding the basis with dream yoga?
Probably, but it would only work if one has already has stable recognition during the waking state.SSJ3Gogeta wrote:Can one eliminate all delusion regarding the basis with dream yoga?
It is simply impractical to practice Dream Yoga exclusively without already establishing significant experience while awake.
"All phenomena of samsara depend on the mind, so when the essence of mind is purified, samsara is purified. Since the phenomena of nirvana depend on the pristine consciousness of vidyā, because one remains in the immediacy of vidyā, buddhahood arises on its own. All critical points are summarized with those two." - Longchenpa
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Re: Eliminate all delusion regarding the basis with dream yoga?
I think the opportunity always exits for liberation, regardless if we are in the dream state, waking state or in the bardo. Isn't this what makes Dzogchen so direct? But, no I don't really understand Dzogchen, so...
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Re: Eliminate all delusion regarding the basis with dream yoga?
Josef wrote:Probably, but it would only work if one has already has stable recognition during the waking state.SSJ3Gogeta wrote:Can one eliminate all delusion regarding the basis with dream yoga?
It is simply impractical to practice Dream Yoga exclusively without already establishing significant experience while awake.
For discussion's sake, lets assume integrated trekcho while awake.
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You changed the title of this thread when I was typing my reply. You were asking if it were possible to complete the whole path through dream yoga alone.SSJ3Gogeta wrote:ChNN is not in a coma, and practices dream yoga all the time.Sherlock wrote:This is completely hypothetical except in the case of coma patients.
I'm just not sure if dream yoga can be used to eliminate all delusion regarding the basis.
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Sherlock wrote:You changed the title of this thread when I was typing my reply. You were asking if it were possible to complete the whole path through dream yoga alone.
I'm actually still asking the same exact thing.
I guess I have to stop using Dzogchen language on this forum.
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Re: Eliminate all delusion regarding the basis with dream yoga?
Ok to dumb things down for the masses:
Can dream yoga lead to rainbow body?
Can dream yoga lead to rainbow body?
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It would be redundant but sure.SSJ3Gogeta wrote:Josef wrote:Probably, but it would only work if one has already has stable recognition during the waking state.SSJ3Gogeta wrote:Can one eliminate all delusion regarding the basis with dream yoga?
It is simply impractical to practice Dream Yoga exclusively without already establishing significant experience while awake.
For discussion's sake, lets assume integrated trekcho while awake.
"All phenomena of samsara depend on the mind, so when the essence of mind is purified, samsara is purified. Since the phenomena of nirvana depend on the pristine consciousness of vidyā, because one remains in the immediacy of vidyā, buddhahood arises on its own. All critical points are summarized with those two." - Longchenpa
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That doesnt really "dumb things down", it actually complicates the question.SSJ3Gogeta wrote:Ok to dumb things down for the masses:
Can dream yoga lead to rainbow body?
Since one can implement the methods that lead to rainbow body during dream yoga I dont see why it would be impossible.
"All phenomena of samsara depend on the mind, so when the essence of mind is purified, samsara is purified. Since the phenomena of nirvana depend on the pristine consciousness of vidyā, because one remains in the immediacy of vidyā, buddhahood arises on its own. All critical points are summarized with those two." - Longchenpa
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Well actually its the same freaking question.Josef wrote: That doesnt really "dumb things down", it actually complicates the question.
Eliminating all delusion regarding the basis = "rainbow body".
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I wouldnt say that.SSJ3Gogeta wrote:Well actually its the same exact question.Josef wrote: That doesnt really "dumb things down", it actually complicates the question.
Eliminating all delusion regarding the basis = "rainbow body".
One can eliminate delusions and one can fully integrate.
One is dependent upon the mind while the other is not.
"All phenomena of samsara depend on the mind, so when the essence of mind is purified, samsara is purified. Since the phenomena of nirvana depend on the pristine consciousness of vidyā, because one remains in the immediacy of vidyā, buddhahood arises on its own. All critical points are summarized with those two." - Longchenpa
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Re: Eliminate all delusion regarding the basis with dream yoga?
What?Josef wrote: I wouldnt say that.
One can eliminate delusions and one can fully integrate.
One is dependent upon the mind while the other is not.
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Delusion is a based on mind.SSJ3Gogeta wrote:What?Josef wrote: I wouldnt say that.
One can eliminate delusions and one can fully integrate.
One is dependent upon the mind while the other is not.
True realization like rainbow body is not.
You can eliminate delusions about the nature of the base and oneself, which is based on mental concepts.
You can fully integrate into that nature, which is not based on mental concepts.
"All phenomena of samsara depend on the mind, so when the essence of mind is purified, samsara is purified. Since the phenomena of nirvana depend on the pristine consciousness of vidyā, because one remains in the immediacy of vidyā, buddhahood arises on its own. All critical points are summarized with those two." - Longchenpa