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Kuntu Zangpo

Postby kalden yungdrung » Mon Jul 17, 2017 1:50 pm

Tashi delek Nyingmapas, :anjali:

Have a question to you which i cannot answer so 123.
You have the Adi Buddha Kuntu Zangpo as the source or Adi Buddha.

Question:
Why is it not in Nyingma, that Samantabhadra is here the Adi Buddha ?

Thanks in advance for your effort.



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Re: Kuntu Zangpo

Postby philji » Mon Jul 17, 2017 4:11 pm

Is it not the same.. Samantabhadra being sanskrit name and Kuntu Zangpo . The tibetan?

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Re: Kuntu Zangpo

Postby kalden yungdrung » Mon Jul 17, 2017 4:50 pm

philji wrote:Is it not the same.. Samantabhadra being sanskrit name and Kuntu Zangpo . The tibetan?


Thanks for your reply.

Yes it is similar qua essence, that is what is everywhere written, no doubt about it.
But i guess Nyingma would not change for Samantabhadra, because they make use of Kuntu Zangpo, if i am informed well here.

So Sanskrit is not a Tibetan language, but many Sanskrit words/terms etc.would be added to Tibetan.
Therefore maybe the Sanskrit (Dzogchen) Lineage might not be of Tibetan origen and because of that we can speak about 2 different Dzogchen Lineages

Know, we have also Indian Dzogchen in Bön, but nevertheless , we use Kuntu Zangpo.
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Re: Kuntu Zangpo

Postby tomamundsen » Mon Jul 17, 2017 9:52 pm

I've only heard Tibetan Nyingma lamas use the two terms interchangeably: Samantabhadra and Kuntuzangpo. It's only been explained to me that these two names refer to the same Dharmakaya Buddha, not two different Buddhas.

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Re: Kuntu Zangpo

Postby kalden yungdrung » Thu Jul 20, 2017 12:22 am

tomamundsen wrote:I've only heard Tibetan Nyingma lamas use the two terms interchangeably: Samantabhadra and Kuntuzangpo. It's only been explained to me that these two names refer to the same Dharmakaya Buddha, not two different Buddhas.



Tashi delek T,

Thanks for the reply.

According John Reynolds:
With reference to the Dharmakaya, the same designation of Kuntu Zangpo is employed for the Primordial Buddha in the scriptures of both the Old Schools, the Nyingmapa and the Bönpo.

viewtopic.php?f=78&t=21750

That it is in Nyingma interchangeably, that is what i did not know before.

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Re: Kuntu Zangpo

Postby Lingpupa » Fri Jul 21, 2017 12:48 pm

tomamundsen wrote:I've only heard Tibetan Nyingma lamas use the two terms interchangeably: Samantabhadra and Kuntuzangpo. It's only been explained to me that these two names refer to the same Dharmakaya Buddha, not two different Buddhas.

Yes, Kuntuzangpo is a straightforward translatioin of Samantabhadra, "All-Good" if you like. We should be wary that as well as the Kuntuzangpo/Samantabhadra you've been talking about here, there is another Kuntuzangpo/Samantabhadra, one of the eight great bodhisattvas, and a different figure entirely. This other one is the one associated with liturgical lines about "clouds of offerings like those of Samantabhadra".

That doesn't add much to your discussion, but it would be a pity if anyone were to confuse the two.
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Re: Kuntu Zangpo

Postby kalden yungdrung » Thu Jul 27, 2017 10:55 am

Lingpupa wrote:Yes, Kuntuzangpo is a straightforward translatioin of Samantabhadra, "All-Good" if you like.



Maybe possible, Samantabhadra is a is a straightforward translation of Kuntu Zangpo ?
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Re: Kuntu Zangpo

Postby tomamundsen » Thu Jul 27, 2017 7:21 pm

kalden yungdrung wrote:
Lingpupa wrote:Yes, Kuntuzangpo is a straightforward translatioin of Samantabhadra, "All-Good" if you like.



Maybe possible, Samantabhadra is a is a straightforward translation of Kuntu Zangpo ?

From PKTC Illuminator Dictionary:

>> ཀུན་ཏུ་བཟང་པོ་
>> <noun> Translation of the Sanskrit [NDS] "samantabhadra". 1) Samantabhadra is commonly used as a person`s name in Sanskrit. The term literally means good throughout, and comes to mean "totally good", "nothing but good". It is often translated as "all-good". 2) "Samantabhadra". The name of the primordial principle of buddhahood according to the nye ba`i sras brgyad');">'dod ma`i sangs rgyas adibuddha is regarded as the actual dharmakāya whereas Vajradhara is regarded as the saṃbhogakāya of the dharmakāya. 3) "Samantabhadra". The name of one of the nye ba`i sras brgyad eight mahābodhisatvas who were the closest disciples of Śhākyamuni Buddha. Samantabhadra was known for his kun tu bzang po`i spyod pa conduct, which exemplifies the activity of the Mahāyāna and the vast motivation that goes with it. 4) "Samantabhadra", the name of a particular, former buddha.

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Re: Kuntu Zangpo

Postby kalden yungdrung » Thu Jul 27, 2017 8:40 pm

tomamundsen wrote:
kalden yungdrung wrote:
Lingpupa wrote:Yes, Kuntuzangpo is a straightforward translatioin of Samantabhadra, "All-Good" if you like.



Maybe possible, Samantabhadra is a is a straightforward translation of Kuntu Zangpo ?

From PKTC Illuminator Dictionary:

>> ཀུན་ཏུ་བཟང་པོ་
>> <noun> Translation of the Sanskrit [NDS] "samantabhadra". 1) Samantabhadra is commonly used as a person`s name in Sanskrit. The term literally means good throughout, and comes to mean "totally good", "nothing but good". It is often translated as "all-good". 2) "Samantabhadra". The name of the primordial principle of buddhahood according to the nye ba`i sras brgyad');">'dod ma`i sangs rgyas adibuddha is regarded as the actual dharmakāya whereas Vajradhara is regarded as the saṃbhogakāya of the dharmakāya. 3) "Samantabhadra". The name of one of the nye ba`i sras brgyad eight mahābodhisatvas who were the closest disciples of Śhākyamuni Buddha. Samantabhadra was known for his kun tu bzang po`i spyod pa conduct, which exemplifies the activity of the Mahāyāna and the vast motivation that goes with it. 4) "Samantabhadra", the name of a particular, former buddha.


Tashi delek T,

Thanks for your contribution.

- Is this the Nyingma view ?
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Re: Kuntu Zangpo

Postby tomamundsen » Thu Jul 27, 2017 10:35 pm

kalden yungdrung wrote:
Tashi delek T,

Thanks for your contribution.

- Is this the Nyingma view ?

As far as I understand it, yes. The PKTC Illuminator is Lama Tony Duff's brainchild. Lama Tony Duff is a Nyingmapa lama. I've heard other English-speaking Nyingmapa lamas teach the same thing as well.


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