Dorje Phurba/ Vajrakilaya

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Re: Dorje Phurba/ Vajrakilaya

Post by heart » Mon Jan 28, 2013 9:43 am

You know Earth Dragon the normal way in Vajrayana to approach a deity like Vajrakilaya is like this;

1. Request the empowerment, the oral transmission and explanation of the practice from your heart while presenting an offering. Repeat many times if necessary until your Guru accepts your request. Please understand that it is a major commitment on your side, you have to do many years of practice every day. It is also a big responsibility for the Guru. So don't do this if you are not very serious and dedicated.

2. Receive the empowerment, the oral transmission and explanation of the practice. This can take quite some time if there are texts that need translation and so on.

3. Do the practice and study the commentary or commentaries. Ask your Guru questions when possible to resolve doubts. Learn how to perform the various rituals as well as you can.

Eventually, if you practice very well for many years, the full meaning of Vajrkilaya and many of its rituals and teachings will arise in your own mind. At that point you can check with your Guru if your understanding and realization is correct.

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Re: Dorje Phurba/ Vajrakilaya

Post by Earth Dragon » Mon Jan 28, 2013 9:58 am

heart wrote:You know Earth Dragon the normal way in Vajrayana to approach a deity like Vajrakilaya is like this;

1. Request the empowerment, the oral transmission and explanation of the practice from your heart while presenting an offering. Repeat many times if necessary until your Guru accepts your request. Please understand that it is a major commitment on your side, you have to do many years of practice every day. It is also a big responsibility for the Guru. So don't do this if you are not very serious and dedicated.

2. Receive the empowerment, the oral transmission and explanation of the practice. This can take quite some time if there are texts that need translation and so on.

3. Do the practice and study the commentary or commentaries. Ask your Guru questions when possible to resolve doubts. Learn how to perform the various rituals as well as you can.

Eventually, if you practice very well for many years, the full meaning of Vajrkilaya and many of its rituals and teachings will arise in your own mind. At that point you can check with your Guru if your understanding and realization is correct.

Thank you for your simple but effective advice

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Re: Dorje Phurba/ Vajrakilaya

Post by karma naheb » Thu Mar 13, 2014 7:30 pm

Venerable Sangha,
I have received the initiation or empowerment of Longchen Nyinthing Vajrakilaya From $th Dodrupchen Rinpoche,I do have the text and all other things but I have not much explanation in english,if anyone has the complete explanation of the mandala generation of the main and another deities and possibly a photo ,I would be greatly helped and feel grateful
thanking you
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Karma Naheb

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Re: Dorje Phurba/ Vajrakilaya

Post by Yeti » Fri Mar 14, 2014 12:40 am

karma naheb wrote:Venerable Sangha,
I have received the initiation or empowerment of Longchen Nyinthing Vajrakilaya From $th Dodrupchen Rinpoche,I do have the text and all other things but I have not much explanation in english,if anyone has the complete explanation of the mandala generation of the main and another deities and possibly a photo ,I would be greatly helped and feel grateful
thanking you
Regards,
Karma Naheb
Normally one receives the "tri" or instructions on the practice from a qualified lama, then one can use the explanations as a support. But you need to receive the tri directly. Most lamas in the Longchen Nyingthig tradition will give you this if you are sincere, especially if you have received the empowerment from the likes of Dodrupchen Rinpoche.
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Re: Dorje Phurba/ Vajrakilaya

Post by lama tsewang » Fri Mar 14, 2014 2:28 am

the most extensive practical instructions in english on phurba is from lama tharchin, on the friends of lama tharchin website .

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Post by emaho » Sat Mar 15, 2014 12:59 am

mahabuddha wrote:"Hey teacher tell me all the secret information." No, it's probably better you find it on the internet ;)
Isn't it sometimes really a bit like that? ;)

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Re: Dorje Phurba/ Vajrakilaya

Post by michaelb » Sat Mar 15, 2014 8:21 pm

lama tsewang wrote:the most extensive practical instructions in english on phurba is from lama tharchin, on the friends of lama tharchin website .
But at $495 I think the DVDs are remarkably expensive. So much so that it would surely price all but the richest out of the market.

You can get 9 and a half hours of teaching from HH Getse Rinpoche on the same practice for $15 on vimalatreasures.org

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Re: Dorje Phurba/ Vajrakilaya

Post by byamspa » Sun Mar 16, 2014 4:08 pm

Garchen-la's teachings from the last Drubchen are available on CD, i think its like 16$.

http://www.garchen.net/GBI-Shop/index.p ... ajrakilaya
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Re: Dorje Phurba/ Vajrakilaya

Post by Karma Lodrö » Fri Nov 24, 2017 7:35 am

Tashi de lek ! If he is an advanced Guru, he manifests himself as the Yidam.
Up to you to clarify your view till you can see...
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Re: Dorje Phurba/ Vajrakilaya

Post by lelopa » Fri Nov 24, 2017 9:14 am

Karma Lodrö wrote:
Fri Nov 24, 2017 7:35 am
Tashi de lek ! If he is an advanced Guru, he manifests himself as the Yidam.
Up to you to clarify your view till you can see...
100000 Preliminary Practices are a useful beginning. :namaste:
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Re: Dorje Phurba/ Vajrakilaya

Post by Karma Lodrö » Fri Nov 24, 2017 9:23 am

This practice doesn't come for free. It took 70 monks to carry the offering for my own lama Rinpoche's empowerment... :popcorn:
Try to go to your Guru with an ounce of gold. Very appreciated generally.

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Re: Dorje Phurba/ Vajrakilaya

Post by Karma Lodrö » Fri Nov 24, 2017 10:03 am

Yeti wrote:
Fri Mar 14, 2014 12:40 am
karma naheb wrote:Venerable Sangha,
I have received the initiation or empowerment of Longchen Nyinthing Vajrakilaya From $th Dodrupchen Rinpoche,I do have the text and all other things but I have not much explanation in english,if anyone has the complete explanation of the mandala generation of the main and another deities and possibly a photo ,I would be greatly helped and feel grateful
thanking you
Regards,
Karma Naheb
Complete transmissions are usually given during 3 years retreat... Intense purification and practice are mandatory.

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Re: Dorje Phurba/ Vajrakilaya

Post by Soma999 » Fri Nov 24, 2017 10:58 am

100000 is nothing. You should do 100000000000.

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Re: Dorje Phurba/ Vajrakilaya

Post by Grigoris » Fri Nov 24, 2017 11:27 am

Soma999 wrote:
Fri Nov 24, 2017 10:58 am
100000 is nothing. You should do 100000000000.
That is too many zeros to count on a computer screen! You should try using comma between each 000. ;)

1 million 2 hundred thousand is a normally the starter for a Yidam practice.
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Re: Dorje Phurba/ Vajrakilaya

Post by Grigoris » Fri Nov 24, 2017 11:36 am

michaelb wrote:
Sat Mar 15, 2014 8:21 pm
But at $495 I think the DVDs are remarkably expensive. So much so that it would surely price all but the richest out of the market.

You can get 9 and a half hours of teaching from HH Getse Rinpoche on the same practice for $15[/url]
byampsa wrote:Garchen-la's teachings from the last Drubchen are available on CD, i think its like 16$.
Really? We are really discussing the merit of a commentary based on it's cost??? Really???
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Re: Dorje Phurba/ Vajrakilaya

Post by Mantrik » Fri Nov 24, 2017 7:40 pm

Grigoris wrote:
Fri Nov 24, 2017 11:36 am
michaelb wrote:
Sat Mar 15, 2014 8:21 pm
But at $495 I think the DVDs are remarkably expensive. So much so that it would surely price all but the richest out of the market.

You can get 9 and a half hours of teaching from HH Getse Rinpoche on the same practice for $15[/url]
byampsa wrote:Garchen-la's teachings from the last Drubchen are available on CD, i think its like 16$.
Really? We are really discussing the merit of a commentary based on it's cost??? Really???

Merit based on cost? michaelb did not mention it, so it looks like you introduced that criterion all by yourself. ;)
Obviosuly, cost is no indicator of the relative value of the commentaries, but I'm not alone in knowing of Lamas who look at their students and see £ $ .
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Re: Dorje Phurba/ Vajrakilaya

Post by climb-up » Sun Nov 26, 2017 4:26 am

If it's this series of teachings, the price has gone down a lot: ($110)
https://www.heartteachings.com/collecti ... 22-mp4-mp3

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Re: Dorje Phurba/ Vajrakilaya

Post by Fortyeightvows » Sun Nov 26, 2017 7:28 am

JKhedrup wrote:
Sat Jan 26, 2013 8:27 pm
This is a topic that interests me because a quite highly regarded Gelug lama told me I have a connection to Vajrakilaya and should pursue it.
Was it LZR who told you this?

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Re: Dorje Phurba/ Vajrakilaya

Post by tingdzin » Wed Nov 29, 2017 8:10 am

As far as pictures, you can get a good reproduction of a thangka with the Kilaya deities at mahasiddha.org bookstore.

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