Empowerment question Krodha Kali / Dudjom Tersar

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Malcolm
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Re: Empowerment question Krodha Kali / Dudjom Tersar

Post by Malcolm » Tue Aug 22, 2017 4:09 pm

KrisW wrote:
Malcolm wrote:
Grigoris wrote:This I can understand. So since the mandala is different one would need to initiated into the specific mandala. Okay.

As for the practice and mantra, it makes sense that one would need a lung.

But I am talking more from the angle of the essential nature of the Yidam.
The Nyingma view is that if you receive a Shitro empowerments, then all you really need for any deity is the lung and khrid. Sakya, Kagyu (there is a lot a variation depending on Nyingma influenced), and Gelug will generally maintain that to practice two different lineage of same deity, you need two empowerments.
Is the tonwang of the namcho shitro sufficient, or are you mentioning a specific shitro empowerment?
In ChNN's system Dzogchen transmission is all you need, and then the lung and khrid for a given deity.
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Re: Empowerment question Krodha Kali / Dudjom Tersar

Post by Lhasa » Tue Aug 22, 2017 6:56 pm

Does khrid need to be live in person, or if the Lama says read this book, it's good enough?

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Re: Empowerment question Krodha Kali / Dudjom Tersar

Post by Josef » Wed Aug 23, 2017 1:50 am

Lhasa wrote:Does khrid need to be live in person, or if the Lama says read this book, it's good enough?
If the lama is instructing you to gain clarification from a textual source the lama probably considers that sufficient.
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Re: Empowerment question Krodha Kali / Dudjom Tersar

Post by Malcolm » Wed Aug 23, 2017 2:04 am

Lhasa wrote:Does khrid need to be live in person, or if the Lama says read this book, it's good enough?

If the guru says read this book it is enough.
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