Chan practioner thinking about visiting a nyingma center

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Chan practioner thinking about visiting a nyingma center

Post by daibunny » Fri Nov 24, 2017 5:46 am

Im a zen / chan practioner of about 20 years or so and there is a nyingma lineage center near me that has open meditation evenings starting in a couple of weeks. Despite having had a couple of nyingma friends over the years, i dont really know much about it, what kind of practice they do or what a nyingma teacher might recommend as far as practice. What might i expect?

My current practice, given me by a chan teacher, which i have been doing for a few years, is to "abide with mind".
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Post by Simon E. » Fri Nov 24, 2017 2:03 pm

It is not simply that you will experience different methods and/or techniques. It is a matter of mindset.
This is not a triumphalist statement.
You might visit this centre and discover that your karmic processes and temperament will lead you back to Chan.
What you will find at any Vajrayana centre is a strong devotional element. Devotion to various teachers and to various deities. You will find far less emphasis on the existential.
Some elements that you might assume to be basic Dharma will be absent or deemphasised.
You will, for example, find little use of the kind of verbal paradox frequently used as skillful means in Chan/Zen.
The reverse of this would of course apply equally if a Nyingmapa decided to visit a Chan centre.
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Re: Chan practioner thinking about visiting a nyingma center

Post by Fa Dao » Fri Nov 24, 2017 2:12 pm

If you want a really good overview you could check out Chagdud Tulku Rinpoche's book Gates to Buddhist Practice. He and his book are about as "Nyingma" as they come. Will help you to understand what you are seeing and hearing when you go there.
https://www.amazon.com/Gates-Buddhist-P ... 1881847314
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Re: Chan practioner thinking about visiting a nyingma center

Post by kirtu » Fri Nov 24, 2017 4:10 pm

daibunny wrote:
Fri Nov 24, 2017 5:46 am
... what kind of practice they do or what a nyingma teacher might recommend as far as practice. What might i expect?
In general you will probably find their meditation to be very "light" in intensity or even brief in comparisson to most Zen centers. However you could also find that the approach to meditation is more systematic and proceeds in a more step by step manner (at least in teaching) than most Zen people have been exposed to. Beyond calm-abiding (shamatha) and insight meditation (vipashyana), their meditation will involve losts of "rituals" with meditation embeded towards the end (this is how it will seem) and the rituals will involve a lot of visualization and chanting. Most of the Nyingma students will also misunderstand Zen practice as emphasing emptiness alone or even as being just calm-abiding (shamatha, quieting the mind) centric.

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Re: Chan practioner thinking about visiting a nyingma center

Post by dzogchungpa » Fri Nov 24, 2017 4:58 pm

daibunny wrote:
Fri Nov 24, 2017 5:46 am
Im a zen / chan practioner of about 20 years or so and there is a nyingma lineage center near me that has open meditation evenings starting in a couple of weeks. Despite having had a couple of nyingma friends over the years, i dont really know much about it, what kind of practice they do or what a nyingma teacher might recommend as far as practice. What might i expect?

Well, may I ask which center or teacher you are referring to? There is actually quite a wide range of things that might go on at a Nyingma center. Where I live there is a very large amount of Nyingma activity and just to take two well-known examples you will find a big difference between attending programs at Orgyen Dorje Den and The Nyingma Institute. If I were to mention some less well-known examples the differences would be even more striking. :smile:
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Post by daibunny » Sat Nov 25, 2017 12:40 am

Im thinking abut this one: http://songtsengampo.org/index.html
Their weds eve is supposed to start up within 3 weeks or so.

Sounds really interesting from what you guys say, i dont mind the devotional thing, i have been to kwan yin services at the local chan zendo and enjoyed them.
I think it might be interesting to have a brighter light shone on aspects of reality that i maybe havent given due attention.

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Post by Kim O'Hara » Sat Nov 25, 2017 3:49 am

daibunny wrote:
Sat Nov 25, 2017 12:40 am
Im thinking abut this one: http://songtsengampo.org/index.html
Their weds eve is supposed to start up within 3 weeks or so.

Sounds really interesting from what you guys say, i dont mind the devotional thing, i have been to kwan yin services at the local chan zendo and enjoyed them.
I think it might be interesting to have a brighter light shone on aspects of reality that i maybe havent given due attention.
An excellent attitude!
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Post by Lindama » Sat Nov 25, 2017 6:22 am

I'll second Kim.... "excellent attitude" .... and confirm... I have years on zen and chan yet appreciate nyingma/vajrayana/bon centers. I don't mind the devotional thing either.... I make no comparisons. Someone mentioned Chagdud... I'd like to read his book. Yrs ago I was at a Red Tara retreat/festival connected to Chagdud's lineage ... kwan yin, tara, kanzeon, mary ..... precious beings, I don't make distinctions.

Check it out, it's good pan-dharma.... did Meido coin that word? I like it.

best,
linda

Kim O'Hara wrote:
Sat Nov 25, 2017 3:49 am
daibunny wrote:
Sat Nov 25, 2017 12:40 am
Im thinking abut this one: http://songtsengampo.org/index.html
Their weds eve is supposed to start up within 3 weeks or so.

Sounds really interesting from what you guys say, i dont mind the devotional thing, i have been to kwan yin services at the local chan zendo and enjoyed them.
I think it might be interesting to have a brighter light shone on aspects of reality that i maybe havent given due attention.
An excellent attitude!
:twothumbsup:

:namaste:
Kim
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Post by Lindama » Sat Nov 25, 2017 7:24 am

... or maybe it was Anjali who coined that word... the memory thing. anyhoo, the answer is yes they both could :heart:
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Re: Chan practioner thinking about visiting a nyingma center

Post by dzogchungpa » Sat Nov 25, 2017 4:57 pm

daibunny wrote:
Sat Nov 25, 2017 12:40 am
Im thinking abut this one: http://songtsengampo.org/index.html
Their weds eve is supposed to start up within 3 weeks or so.

That looks like a nice place. It's hard to know from the site what will be emphasized in the meditation class, but looking at some of the resources on this page:
http://songtsengampo.org/Meditation-Resources.html
is probably a good way to get a sense of their approach.


daibunny wrote:
Sat Nov 25, 2017 12:40 am
Sounds really interesting from what you guys say,

It is.
This is not a triumphalist statement. :smile:
It takes a great being to be daring enough to cultivate a bad reputation. - Dzongsar Jamyang Khyentse Rinpoche

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Re: Chan practioner thinking about visiting a nyingma center

Post by tingdzin » Wed Nov 29, 2017 8:07 am

dzogchungpa wrote:
Fri Nov 24, 2017 4:58 pm
There is actually quite a wide range of things that might go on at a Nyingma center.
Nyingmapa is actually quite a big umbrella, and the vibe from different places varies tremendously.

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