Lying down and seeing Buddhist videos

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Lying down and seeing Buddhist videos

Post by MatthewAngby » Thu Dec 28, 2017 5:10 am

Hello all. I was told by my grandma that we should sit when we r listening to dharma talks .. unless we are unwell of course. May I ask if it is always like that? Can I lie down and see Buddhist music and videos ?
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Re: Lying down and seeing Buddhist videos

Post by philji » Thu Dec 28, 2017 10:35 am

You are going to get different replies from different people here..all with their own views... my own teacher does not recommend it even for mantra practice.. shamata however is different and can be done. I guess sitting up is a way of respect. I havent seen many lamas lying down watching dharma videos but maybe others have🤠

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Re: Lying down and seeing Buddhist videos

Post by Lingpupa » Thu Dec 28, 2017 10:38 am

You can do what you like, of course - there is noone checking. But since you ask for advice - listen to Grandma! If you are too sick, then of course lie down. Otherwise, show respect, pay attention and sit up. They will do you far more good that way.

You could try to find explanations of the wrong way to listen to teachings like a cup - having a hole in it, having poison in it, or being upside down.
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Re: Lying down and seeing Buddhist videos

Post by Simon E. » Thu Dec 28, 2017 10:53 am

Lingpupa wrote:
Thu Dec 28, 2017 10:38 am
You can do what you like, of course - there is noone checking. But since you ask for advice - listen to Grandma! If you are too sick, then of course lie down. Otherwise, show respect, pay attention and sit up. They will do you far more good that way.

You could try to find explanations of the wrong way to listen to teachings like a cup - having a hole in it, having poison in it, or being upside down.
This....
we are constantly sending ourselves messages.
Posture is one of the wordless messages that we send to the world and to our own subconscious minds about what is valuable to us.
If you use the word 'mind' without defining your terms I will ask you politely for a definition. :smile:
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Post by Mantrik » Thu Dec 28, 2017 2:07 pm

MatthewAngby wrote:
Thu Dec 28, 2017 5:10 am
Hello all. I was told by my grandma that we should sit when we r listening to dharma talks .. unless we are unwell of course. May I ask if it is always like that? Can I lie down and see Buddhist music and videos ?
Thanks all!
Watching a movie or documentary, or listening to songs, if it is for entertainment, may not be seen as 'practice' per se, as it is not 'formal'.

However, I think you should try to see opportunities in such things to integrate them as part of your practice, as all your daily activities should be part of your path. In this case, it should be pretty easy to be mindful of it due to the direct connection with your more obvious practice and behave accordingly, keeping that motivation in mind.
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Re: Lying down and seeing Buddhist videos

Post by MatthewAngby » Thu Dec 28, 2017 4:35 pm

Hi again. Mm I have some things to say but I hope I don not offend anyone in any way.

Soo... for me is... isn’t sitting down to watch Buddhist videos as a form of respect just our conceptions of our conditioned thinking and culture?

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Post by Johnny Dangerous » Thu Dec 28, 2017 4:46 pm

MatthewAngby wrote:
Thu Dec 28, 2017 4:35 pm
Hi again. Mm I have some things to say but I hope I don not offend anyone in any way.

Soo... for me is... isn’t sitting down to watch Buddhist videos as a form of respect just our conceptions of our conditioned thinking and culture?
Sitting correctly also affects the state of your body , voice, mind, channels, etc. So sitting up simply makes you more capable of digesting teachings. Besides, just because something is conditioned and relative does not mean you shouldn't do it. You are practicing Dharma in the relative world.

Not sure there's a hard and fast answer, but the obvious one is to adopt a respectful, attentive posture during teachings.
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Post by Grigoris » Thu Dec 28, 2017 8:52 pm

If I lie down watching Buddhist videos, I'm snoring in no time... :zzz:
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Post by Motova » Thu Dec 28, 2017 9:19 pm

Phakchok Rinpoche doesn't mind supposedly, he told us a story about people coming to his teachings and either lying down or pointing their feet at him.

I have a bad back and my Lamas don't mind if I practice in bed if I need too.

Lying down your back is straight and you are relaxed, the problem is it's really easy to doze off.
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Re: Lying down and seeing Buddhist videos

Post by Ricky » Thu Dec 28, 2017 9:20 pm

I was lying down the whole time during the recent transmission. What's wrong with that?

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Re: Lying down and seeing Buddhist videos

Post by Motova » Thu Dec 28, 2017 9:28 pm

Ricky wrote:
Thu Dec 28, 2017 9:20 pm
I was lying down the whole time during the recent transmission. What's wrong with that?
It's not the 'what', but the 'who' 'where' 'why' 'when' and 'how'.
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Re: Lying down and seeing Buddhist videos

Post by Spelare » Thu Dec 28, 2017 10:07 pm

One can meditate lying on one's back; that is among the traditional postures. The posture of mind is more important. You have to see for yourself whether you are able to pay careful attention while lying down. Traditionally, full-lotus was said to be best meditation posture, especially for long sitting periods, but only if you can maintain it comfortably. The ideal posture is one in which your spine is straight, and you are alert yet relaxed.

Obviously, it would be poor etiquette to lie down when a teacher is physically present, unless he or she indicates that it is alright. One traditionally stands at the teacher's entrances and exits. I don't think video recordings require such etiquette. When it comes to live broadcasts, though, it might be better to sit up--again, unless the teacher has said he/she doesn't mind.

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Post by MatthewAngby » Fri Dec 29, 2017 5:10 am

Mm... but I was looking into something like beyond etiquettes and social norm. Because we are conditioned to think that sitting is respectful... but maybe lying down can also be considered respectful... that is without our conditioned mind. Something like non dualism or like that but again, I am no expert at Buddhism so if I am wrong on the “ non dualism “ aspect please educate me. Thank you !

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Re: Lying down and seeing Buddhist videos

Post by Simon E. » Fri Dec 29, 2017 10:28 am

Are sure that want to be educated Matthew? :smile:

People have given you some good and varied answers.

I think you may just want Grandma, and all she represents, to be wrong.
If you use the word 'mind' without defining your terms I will ask you politely for a definition. :smile:
This is not to be awkward. But it's really not self-explanatory.

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Re: Lying down and seeing Buddhist videos

Post by MatthewAngby » Fri Dec 29, 2017 12:22 pm

Hmm... yes I want to be. Actually all I wanted was to integrate non duality into sitting and lying down. Yes I have received many varied answers, but now I would like to know the integration of the non-duality of things in sitting and lying down and why do we differentiate between the both if they are both empty of nature. And again what I say might not be very trustable as I am not an expert in Buddhism.
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Re: Lying down and seeing Buddhist videos

Post by Tiago Simões » Fri Dec 29, 2017 1:00 pm

MatthewAngby wrote:
Fri Dec 29, 2017 12:22 pm
Hmm... yes I want to be. Actually all I wanted was to integrate non duality into sitting and lying down. Yes I have received many varied answers, but now I would like to know the integration of the non-duality of things in sitting and lying down and why do we differentiate between the both if they are both empty of nature. And again what I say might not be very trustable as I am not an expert in Buddhism.
Here's a nice quote by Guru Rinpoche:

“My view is more vast than the sky, but my conduct is as fine as the smallest grain of sand.”

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Re: Lying down and seeing Buddhist videos

Post by Simon E. » Fri Dec 29, 2017 1:02 pm

An old joke.
A tourist was trying to get to Dublin by car, and was lost. Seeing an old man working a field he stopped and wound down his window, 'can you tell me the way to Dublin?' he asked', the man scratched his head...'to be honest with you' he said, 'if I were you I wouldn't start from here'....

You are anticipating a non dual state. But you are living in duality.
Generations of Dharma students have observed various points of etiquette.
Not because they think that etiquette will bring you to Enlightenment..but because they have discovered that non-observance confirms most of us in duality rather than undermining duality.
If you use the word 'mind' without defining your terms I will ask you politely for a definition. :smile:
This is not to be awkward. But it's really not self-explanatory.

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Re: Lying down and seeing Buddhist videos

Post by MatthewAngby » Fri Dec 29, 2017 3:39 pm

I am sorry but I do not seem to get this part of the reply
“You are anticipating a non dual state. But you are living in duality.
Generations of Dharma students have observed various points of etiquette.
Not because they think that etiquette will bring you to Enlightenment..but because they have discovered that non-observance confirms most of us in duality rather than undermining duality.” could you explain it in detail ? Thanks :) !
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Re: Lying down and seeing Buddhist videos

Post by MatthewAngby » Fri Dec 29, 2017 3:40 pm

Oh another question would be : how about mad saints and their crazy wisdom? Why can they do such “ mad “ stuff?
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Re: Lying down and seeing Buddhist videos

Post by Simon E. » Fri Dec 29, 2017 4:00 pm

MatthewAngby wrote:
Fri Dec 29, 2017 3:39 pm
I am sorry but I do not seem to get this part of the reply
“You are anticipating a non dual state. But you are living in duality.
Generations of Dharma students have observed various points of etiquette.
Not because they think that etiquette will bring you to Enlightenment..but because they have discovered that non-observance confirms most of us in duality rather than undermining duality.” could you explain it in detail ? Thanks :) !
At the moment you have an idea in your mind. You have read about non-dual states but may not have experienced that. You are assuming that in a non dual state such matters as posture and etiquette do not matter because they are only relevant in duality.
If any of my assumptions are wrong, then say..
From that you assume that if posture and etiquette are not relevant to non duality then perhaps they do not matter at all..perhaps such ideas are even an obstacle to non dual states.
If that is accurate, I would say that generations of Dharma students have found that observing certain customs and conventions are actually important in preparing us for the change in View which will follow
our realising non -duality.
Observing certain etiquettes does not lead us to non duality, but can be an important part of being prepared for the leap....
If you use the word 'mind' without defining your terms I will ask you politely for a definition. :smile:
This is not to be awkward. But it's really not self-explanatory.

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