Worldly wish fulfilling mantras?

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Worldly wish fulfilling mantras?

Post by MatthewAngby » Mon Jan 08, 2018 3:35 pm

Hello people. Soo I was just wondering what mantras or deities can I pray and do for worldly wishes? Well I kinda want to get a gf who can accompany me to dharma centres and practice together. So is there any particular deity or mantra to fulfill my wish?
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Post by marting » Mon Jan 08, 2018 3:44 pm

Good question. As a Buddhist you have access to the morning kriya practices of bathing, putting on clean clothes, and brushing your teeth. Mantras for women are harder to come by. I'd try to let them come out naturally if you find yourself at a bar on a Friday night.

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Post by Grigoris » Mon Jan 08, 2018 4:02 pm

marting wrote:
Mon Jan 08, 2018 3:44 pm
Good question. As a Buddhist you have access to the morning kriya practices of bathing, putting on clean clothes, and brushing your teeth. Mantras for women are harder to come by. I'd try to let them come out naturally if you find yourself at a bar on a Friday night.
:rolling:

But seriously though: worldly gains are not the aim of Dharma practices. Of course if an upturn in your worldly circumstances can benefit your Dharma practice... But wanting to get laid (with a Buddhist), well... :smile:
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Post by MatthewAngby » Mon Jan 08, 2018 4:39 pm

Hmm actually it would be like a 50-50. ( to grigoris ) . I have always wanted a female companion with me on my travels to dharma centres. It kinda you know...encourages me and even montivates me in someway. So and yes...the men problems too ( eeks )

So I would say it is a 50-50 between practice and human needs.
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Post by pemachophel » Mon Jan 08, 2018 5:06 pm

ime, the myth of romantic love is an especially pernicious delusion among westerners. dharma is about renunciation, and romantic love is about attachment. it is 100?% guaranteed that your loved one will eventually break your heart.

however, if that's what you want, most tibetans would tell you to do kurukulle/rigyed wangmo sadhana.

but be careful what you wish for.
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Post by Vasana » Mon Jan 08, 2018 5:24 pm

Tara can also help with worldy matters. Her 21 praises may help all round. Your best option is to just attend dharma centers and events until you meet more people if thats your side aim. Best to avoid receiving any samaya commitments until you are sure you want to commit to a path if you are still a begginer.
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Post by Motova » Mon Jan 08, 2018 5:36 pm

pemachophel wrote:
Mon Jan 08, 2018 5:06 pm
ime, the myth of romantic love is an especially pernicious delusion among westerners. dharma is about renunciation, and romantic love is about attachment. it is 100?% guaranteed that your loved one will eventually break your heart.

however, if that's what you want, most tibetans would tell you to do kurukulle/rigyed wangmo sadhana.

but be careful what you wish for.
How should one approach this with Bodhicitta the right way then?
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Post by Pero » Mon Jan 08, 2018 6:33 pm

pemachophel wrote:
Mon Jan 08, 2018 5:06 pm
ime, the myth of romantic love is an especially pernicious delusion among westerners. dharma is about renunciation, and romantic love is about attachment. it is 100?% guaranteed that your loved one will eventually break your heart.

however, if that's what you want, most tibetans would tell you to do kurukulle/rigyed wangmo sadhana.

but be careful what you wish for.
Not that I necessarily disagree but aren't you married?
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Post by dzogchungpa » Mon Jan 08, 2018 6:34 pm

pemachophel wrote:
Mon Jan 08, 2018 5:06 pm
it is 100?% guaranteed that your loved one will eventually break your heart.

I'm not sure why you say this. 100% guaranteed? I don't think so unless you are assigning some unusual meaning to the words you are using.

pemachophel wrote:
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however, if that's what you want, most tibetans would tell you to do kurukulle/rigyed wangmo sadhana.

Worked for me. Actually, I find that having a gf who can accompany me to dharma centers etc is a great help . :smile:
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Post by pemachophel » Mon Jan 08, 2018 9:03 pm

yes, i'm married, twice legally and one long-term live-together relationship. so i have some experience.

why i said break your heart: it's guaranteed that, even if you don't split up, one or the other is going to die. so the one dying suffers for not wanting to leave, and the one who remains suffers in mourning his or her loss.

i'm not saying don't marry. just know what the downsides are, both samsarically and dharmically.

of course, when karma ripens, "the best made plans of mice and men often gang arye."
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Post by Miroku » Mon Jan 08, 2018 10:44 pm

Before I met my current bf (we have been dating for over a year now and I don't plan stopping it) I did listen to kurukulle mantra on youtube, I liked the melody and sometimes sang with it. :D Didn't really do it for any purpouse, maybe it worked. Otherwise Tara is great for everything; she helped my friend with the exactly same thing. :-) But beware!!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7S94ohyErSw You can't always get what you want.

Now I might have a bf, but thinking about impermanence pains me more now than ever as I am strongly attached to him. Also no long retreats for me as I want to be with him and he is atheist so no retreating together. So it always has some drawbacks. Don't rush it, be nice, be yourself, search a little and someone might appear, or not, that is also good.
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Post by fckw » Mon Jan 08, 2018 10:57 pm

Both green Tara and Kurukulle are probably good starts. And in contrast to what was said before: No, there is no separation in Tantra with regards to the worldly and the spiritual. This is neither Therevada nor Mahayana, it's the Vajrayana vehicle. As we all know: The distinction is in the view as well as the methods applied. Hence, it's exactly the other way round: The more you practice the more you realize such distinctions as worldly vs spiritual are pretty futile. Also, if you read some of the old tantras, you'll find they are full of wish-fulfilling magic (optimized for everyday use a 1000 years ago in the Himalayas). Bad news is that once you're ready to apply it effectively you probably don't even want (nor need) to anymore.

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Post by Aryjna » Mon Jan 08, 2018 11:27 pm

Though it seems it is considered something that can be achieved through practice, it really doesn't seem to fit in with other worldly siddhis. Contrary to wealth, removing obstacles, etc., finding a girlfriend is something inherently counterproductive to practice.

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Post by Simon E. » Mon Jan 08, 2018 11:40 pm

Of course it isn't.
If you use the word 'mind' without defining your terms I will ask you politely for a definition. :smile:
This is not to be awkward. But it's really not self-explanatory.

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Post by Josef » Mon Jan 08, 2018 11:51 pm

MatthewAngby wrote:
Mon Jan 08, 2018 3:35 pm
Hello people. Soo I was just wondering what mantras or deities can I pray and do for worldly wishes? Well I kinda want to get a gf who can accompany me to dharma centres and practice together. So is there any particular deity or mantra to fulfill my wish?
Why do you want a partner?
Maybe examine your motivation and see if you can offer a woman the love, respect, and support she deserves and stop worrying about magic tricks a mantras to dupe someone into being with you?
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Post by Thomas Amundsen » Mon Jan 08, 2018 11:51 pm

Aryjna wrote:
Mon Jan 08, 2018 11:27 pm
Though it seems it is considered something that can be achieved through practice, it really doesn't seem to fit in with other worldly siddhis. Contrary to wealth, removing obstacles, etc., finding a girlfriend is something inherently counterproductive to practice.
Didn't seem to be counterproductive for Guru Rinpoche.

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Post by Josef » Mon Jan 08, 2018 11:55 pm

Aryjna wrote:
Mon Jan 08, 2018 11:27 pm
Though it seems it is considered something that can be achieved through practice, it really doesn't seem to fit in with other worldly siddhis. Contrary to wealth, removing obstacles, etc., finding a girlfriend is something inherently counterproductive to practice.
This is definitely not the case. Some people are more inclined to using their relationships as a spiritual support (this goes far beyond goofy notions of sexual spirituality).
Many practitioners have flourished through their intimate relationships and many of our lineage masters have done the same.
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Post by Aryjna » Mon Jan 08, 2018 11:56 pm

Thomas Amundsen wrote:
Mon Jan 08, 2018 11:51 pm
Aryjna wrote:
Mon Jan 08, 2018 11:27 pm
Though it seems it is considered something that can be achieved through practice, it really doesn't seem to fit in with other worldly siddhis. Contrary to wealth, removing obstacles, etc., finding a girlfriend is something inherently counterproductive to practice.
Didn't seem to be counterproductive for Guru Rinpoche.
Unfortunately there is still a difference between Guru Rinpoche and most/practically all practitioners. And between his 'girlfriends' and the ones that one is likely to find.

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Post by Thomas Amundsen » Tue Jan 09, 2018 12:01 am

Aryjna wrote:
Mon Jan 08, 2018 11:56 pm
Thomas Amundsen wrote:
Mon Jan 08, 2018 11:51 pm
Aryjna wrote:
Mon Jan 08, 2018 11:27 pm
Though it seems it is considered something that can be achieved through practice, it really doesn't seem to fit in with other worldly siddhis. Contrary to wealth, removing obstacles, etc., finding a girlfriend is something inherently counterproductive to practice.
Didn't seem to be counterproductive for Guru Rinpoche.
Unfortunately there is still a difference between Guru Rinpoche and most/practically all practitioners. And between his 'girlfriends' and the ones that one is likely to find.
Of course one would have to be really fortunate to happen upon such a beneficial scenario. But my own teacher and other people I know are in supporting Dharma relationships.

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Post by Aryjna » Tue Jan 09, 2018 12:06 am

Josef wrote:
Mon Jan 08, 2018 11:55 pm
Aryjna wrote:
Mon Jan 08, 2018 11:27 pm
Though it seems it is considered something that can be achieved through practice, it really doesn't seem to fit in with other worldly siddhis. Contrary to wealth, removing obstacles, etc., finding a girlfriend is something inherently counterproductive to practice.
This is definitely not the case. Some people are more inclined to using their relationships as a spiritual support (this goes far beyond goofy notions of sexual spirituality).
Many practitioners have flourished through their intimate relationships and many of our lineage masters have done the same.
Do you know for a fact that in the majority of the cases of lineage masters being married the choice is not largely cultural? And that they actually flourished because of the relationship, while their realization would be less without it?

Of course it is not necessarily always negative. But there really is no way to compare an advanced practitioner having a partner to someone of little realization having a partner who is also of little realization. As I see it, it is at the very best a neutral thing as far as practice goes, and this is probably only true for a very small minority of the cases, with most of them falling more or less into the 'counterproductive' range.

I am not saying one shouldn't have a relationship. But that it is not something that really helps, such as having obstacles to practice removed, longer life so that you have more time for practice, and other kinds of mundane siddhis that support practice.

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