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Re: Garchen Nyingtig Yabshi Germany 2018 Questions

Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 10:51 am
by fckw
I know lung, but what’s the difference to wang and specially Pewang?

Re: Garchen Nyingtig Yabshi Germany 2018 Questions

Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 1:32 pm
by heart
fckw wrote:
Mon Jan 15, 2018 10:51 am
I know lung, but what’s the difference to wang and specially Pewang?
A pewang is a text blessing after which you can read the texts yourself but you can't pass it onto someone else. With lung you theoretically can do that.

/magnus

Re: Garchen Nyingtig Yabshi Germany 2018 Questions

Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 4:12 pm
by Malcolm
heart wrote:
Mon Jan 15, 2018 1:32 pm
fckw wrote:
Mon Jan 15, 2018 10:51 am
I know lung, but what’s the difference to wang and specially Pewang?
A pewang is a text blessing after which you can read the texts yourself but you can't pass it onto someone else. With lung you theoretically can do that.

/magnus
There are differences of opinion on this point.

Re: Garchen Nyingtig Yabshi Germany 2018 Questions

Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 4:14 pm
by heart
Malcolm wrote:
Mon Jan 15, 2018 4:12 pm
heart wrote:
Mon Jan 15, 2018 1:32 pm
fckw wrote:
Mon Jan 15, 2018 10:51 am
I know lung, but what’s the difference to wang and specially Pewang?
A pewang is a text blessing after which you can read the texts yourself but you can't pass it onto someone else. With lung you theoretically can do that.

/magnus
There are differences of opinion on this point.
This is what CNR told me while giving me a pewang, I never heard anything else about it.

/magnus

Re: Garchen Nyingtig Yabshi Germany 2018 Questions

Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 4:16 pm
by Malcolm
heart wrote:
Mon Jan 15, 2018 4:14 pm
Malcolm wrote:
Mon Jan 15, 2018 4:12 pm
heart wrote:
Mon Jan 15, 2018 1:32 pm


A pewang is a text blessing after which you can read the texts yourself but you can't pass it onto someone else. With lung you theoretically can do that.

/magnus
There are differences of opinion on this point.
This is what CNR told me while giving me a pewang, I never heard anything else about it.

/magnus
As I said, there are different opinions about this, just like everything else in Tibetan Buddhism.

Re: Garchen Nyingtig Yabshi Germany 2018 Questions

Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 8:59 pm
by fckw
heart wrote:
Mon Jan 15, 2018 1:32 pm
fckw wrote:
Mon Jan 15, 2018 10:51 am
I know lung, but what’s the difference to wang and specially Pewang?
A pewang is a text blessing after which you can read the texts yourself but you can't pass it onto someone else. With lung you theoretically can do that.

/magnus
Now I am puzzled. I have never heard that a lung authorizes you - even if just theoretically - to pass a text further. So, what are the different positions on this point, what would be the prerequisites?

Re: Garchen Nyingtig Yabshi Germany 2018 Questions

Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 9:31 pm
by Malcolm
fckw wrote:
Mon Jan 15, 2018 8:59 pm
heart wrote:
Mon Jan 15, 2018 1:32 pm
fckw wrote:
Mon Jan 15, 2018 10:51 am
I know lung, but what’s the difference to wang and specially Pewang?
A pewang is a text blessing after which you can read the texts yourself but you can't pass it onto someone else. With lung you theoretically can do that.

/magnus
Now I am puzzled. I have never heard that a lung authorizes you - even if just theoretically - to pass a text further. So, what are the different positions on this point, what would be the prerequisites?
Yes, there is a saying in Tibet, "Even a dog's tail can give a lung."

Basically, if you have the lung, you can give the lung. Whether anyone would want to lung from you is another issue, since receiving a lung from someone entails commitments to that person.

Re: Garchen Nyingtig Yabshi Germany 2018 Questions

Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 9:45 pm
by Lobsang Chojor
Malcolm wrote:
Mon Jan 15, 2018 9:31 pm
Yes, there is a saying in Tibet, "Even a dog's tail can give a lung."

Basically, if you have the lung, you can give the lung. Whether anyone would want to lung from you is another issue, since receiving a lung from someone entails commitments to that person.
What commitments does it entail?

Re: Garchen Nyingtig Yabshi Germany 2018 Questions

Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 10:21 pm
by Malcolm
Lobsang Chojor wrote:
Mon Jan 15, 2018 9:45 pm
Malcolm wrote:
Mon Jan 15, 2018 9:31 pm
Yes, there is a saying in Tibet, "Even a dog's tail can give a lung."

Basically, if you have the lung, you can give the lung. Whether anyone would want to lung from you is another issue, since receiving a lung from someone entails commitments to that person.
What commitments does it entail?
The same as receiving an empowerment, but not as strong.

Re: Garchen Nyingtig Yabshi Germany 2018 Questions

Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 11:03 pm
by Lobsang Chojor
Malcolm wrote:
Mon Jan 15, 2018 10:21 pm
Lobsang Chojor wrote:
Mon Jan 15, 2018 9:45 pm
Malcolm wrote:
Mon Jan 15, 2018 9:31 pm
Yes, there is a saying in Tibet, "Even a dog's tail can give a lung."

Basically, if you have the lung, you can give the lung. Whether anyone would want to lung from you is another issue, since receiving a lung from someone entails commitments to that person.
What commitments does it entail?
The same as receiving an empowerment, but not as strong.
:thanks: Is there a book that you recommend on the commitments and vows?

Re: Garchen Nyingtig Yabshi Germany 2018 Questions

Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2018 12:14 am
by Malcolm
Lobsang Chojor wrote:
Mon Jan 15, 2018 11:03 pm
Malcolm wrote:
Mon Jan 15, 2018 10:21 pm
Lobsang Chojor wrote:
Mon Jan 15, 2018 9:45 pm

What commitments does it entail?
The same as receiving an empowerment, but not as strong.
:thanks: Is there a book that you recommend on the commitments and vows?
BTW, this only counts for Vajrayāna materials...

Re: Garchen Nyingtig Yabshi Germany 2018 Questions

Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2018 12:16 am
by Lobsang Chojor
Malcolm wrote:
Tue Jan 16, 2018 12:14 am
Lobsang Chojor wrote:
Mon Jan 15, 2018 11:03 pm
Malcolm wrote:
Mon Jan 15, 2018 10:21 pm


The same as receiving an empowerment, but not as strong.
:thanks: Is there a book that you recommend on the commitments and vows?
BTW, this only counts for Vajrayāna materials...
I did think so, is there an equivalent for sutra materials?

Re: Garchen Nyingtig Yabshi Germany 2018 Questions

Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2018 4:08 am
by Malcolm
Lobsang Chojor wrote:
Tue Jan 16, 2018 12:16 am
Malcolm wrote:
Tue Jan 16, 2018 12:14 am
Lobsang Chojor wrote:
Mon Jan 15, 2018 11:03 pm

:thanks: Is there a book that you recommend on the commitments and vows?
BTW, this only counts for Vajrayāna materials...
I did think so, is there an equivalent for sutra materials?
Nothing apart from the general exhortation to regard anyone from whom one receives Dharma teachings to be like a Buddha.

Re: Garchen Nyingtig Yabshi Germany 2018 Questions

Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2018 5:28 am
by Ogaf
My thanks to you all for your help.

Re: Garchen Nyingtig Yabshi Germany 2018 Questions

Posted: Wed Feb 07, 2018 1:05 pm
by Yeti
It's good to receive this empowerment if you are practicing anything in the Nyingma dzogchen. In fact, when this was given by Kyabje Trulshik Rinpoche in 2004 Tulku Pema Wangyal told everyone to tell all their Dharma friends to drop everything and come and receive this, because, until current times, it was rarely given in public... only in small groups of dedicated practitioners.

Most of us will not actually do the practices involved, but it's a ripening blessing for all our main practices.

When someone asked Tulku Pema Wangyal about the benefits of this transmission... he said... the benefits will appear during one's journey in the bardo.

Re: Garchen Nyingtig Yabshi Germany 2018 Questions

Posted: Wed Feb 07, 2018 1:46 pm
by MiphamFan
Mutsuk mentioned before that Khenpo Jigme Phuntsog wrote a practice manual for the Nyingthig Yabzhi. Not sure if one could approach one of his Khenpos for the transmission.

Re: Garchen Nyingtig Yabshi Germany 2018 Questions

Posted: Wed Feb 07, 2018 3:51 pm
by Karinos
Those who will go to Benchen monastery please read below:

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practice samaya for receiving empowerment will be to recite min 100k Vajrasattva mantra

Re: Garchen Nyingtig Yabshi Germany 2018 Questions

Posted: Wed Feb 07, 2018 4:55 pm
by Pero
MiphamFan wrote:
Wed Feb 07, 2018 1:46 pm
Mutsuk mentioned before that Khenpo Jigme Phuntsog wrote a practice manual for the Nyingthig Yabzhi. Not sure if one could approach one of his Khenpos for the transmission.
Wow! When you say "one of his", you mean Garchen Rinpoche or Jigme Phuntosk's?

Re: Garchen Nyingtig Yabshi Germany 2018 Questions

Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2018 12:07 am
by MiphamFan
Pero wrote:
Wed Feb 07, 2018 4:55 pm
MiphamFan wrote:
Wed Feb 07, 2018 1:46 pm
Mutsuk mentioned before that Khenpo Jigme Phuntsog wrote a practice manual for the Nyingthig Yabzhi. Not sure if one could approach one of his Khenpos for the transmission.
Wow! When you say "one of his", you mean Garchen Rinpoche or Jigme Phuntosk's?
Khenpo Jigphun I mean.

Re: Garchen Nyingtig Yabshi Germany 2018 Questions

Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2018 12:17 am
by amanitamusc
MiphamFan wrote:
Thu Feb 08, 2018 12:07 am
Pero wrote:
Wed Feb 07, 2018 4:55 pm
MiphamFan wrote:
Wed Feb 07, 2018 1:46 pm
Mutsuk mentioned before that Khenpo Jigme Phuntsog wrote a practice manual for the Nyingthig Yabzhi. Not sure if one could approach one of his Khenpos for the transmission.
Wow! When you say "one of his", you mean Garchen Rinpoche or Jigme Phuntosk's?
Khenpo Jigphun I mean.
A few of the Tibetans staying at the Garchen Institute have teachings from KJPR but i don't know if any have that
particular one.