Garchen Nyingtig Yabshi Germany 2018 Questions

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Re: Garchen Nyingtig Yabshi Germany 2018 Questions

Post by Josef » Wed Apr 18, 2018 5:56 pm

bryandavis wrote:
Wed Apr 18, 2018 4:24 pm
Perhaps Zhi Lam Drä Bu is a bad German attempt at saying teaching on the Ground, Path, and Fruit according to Dzogchen View?

Zhi, base. Lam, path. Drä maybe like "Lam 'bras" path and fruit.

To bad no Nyingthik Yabshi!

Anybody have 2cents to say about Yumkha Dechen Gyalmo Wang? Any unique features etc?

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The Yumka empowerment is a very important part of the transmission of the Longchen Nyingthig.
It has a lot of significant features and is quite unique. Details of that are probably not appropriate to share here.
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Re: Garchen Nyingtig Yabshi Germany 2018 Questions

Post by narraboth » Fri Apr 20, 2018 2:31 pm

bryandavis wrote:
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Anybody have 2cents to say about Yumkha Dechen Gyalmo Wang? Any unique features etc?
Strictly speaking, it's not a 'Wang', but it should be given only to people who have received Wang. Similar to the case of Vajrayogini in Sakya and Gelug.
Actually, it was stated in the commentary that it should be given to people who have received Nyingthig Palchen Dupa or Zhitro Wangchen. But nowadays quite often this rule is not followed. Still, most of lama would schedule it after a proper Wang, in this case I assume, would be Yamantaka.
If you want to follow the traditional rule properly but you haven't received 2 days empowerment in LN cycle, as you might see in another thread, Khenchen Padma Sherab will give Palchen Dupa Wangchen in London in May.

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Re: Garchen Nyingtig Yabshi Germany 2018 Questions

Post by Malcolm » Fri Apr 20, 2018 2:44 pm

narraboth wrote:
Fri Apr 20, 2018 2:31 pm
bryandavis wrote:
Wed Apr 18, 2018 4:24 pm
Anybody have 2cents to say about Yumkha Dechen Gyalmo Wang? Any unique features etc?
Strictly speaking, it's not a 'Wang', but it should be given only to people who have received Wang. Similar to the case of Vajrayogini in Sakya and Gelug.
This is called a Jinlab (byin rlabs).
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Re: Garchen Nyingtig Yabshi Germany 2018 Questions

Post by Virgo » Fri Apr 20, 2018 3:28 pm

fckw wrote:
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When someone asked Tulku Pema Wangyal about the benefits of this transmission... he said... the benefits will appear during one's journey in the bardo.
I don't mean to sound dismissing, but when I hear someone tell me that the benefits of a given practice will be reaped during bardo - I am not interested at all. What help is this to me in this current form? Why should I care more about a bodyless form in the bardo realm who, according to Buddhist theory, is not even "me" anymore, but just some karmic imprints traveling through the bardo like a lonely asteroid is travelling through space and time? Why should I care more about that form during bardo than about the current form in this body?

(Of course you're going to tell me that I got it all wrong, and that it's not at all what said tulku really meant and so on. But is it really?)
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Post by MiphamFan » Sun Apr 29, 2018 10:11 pm

So it looks like the organizers simply got it wrong and confused the Longchen Nyingthig with the Nyingthig Yabzhi.

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Post by weitsicht » Tue May 01, 2018 11:14 am

I just signed in and received a autamatized copy by e-mail.
Does anyone know: is that already the confirmation or will that come separately?
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Re: Garchen Nyingtig Yabshi Germany 2018 Questions

Post by Pero » Sun May 06, 2018 6:19 pm

MiphamFan wrote:
Sun Apr 29, 2018 10:11 pm
So it looks like the organizers simply got it wrong and confused the Longchen Nyingthig with the Nyingthig Yabzhi.
With the Aspiration prayer too right? It's actually Jigme Lingpa's?
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Post by Palzang Jangchub » Mon May 07, 2018 4:26 am

It would seem that way according to Lotsawa House, Pero... http://www.lotsawahouse.org/tibetan-mas ... d-fruition

The error is consistent, so if the organizers were going for a theme (the Dzogchen teachings of Longchenpa), it makes a certain amount of sense that the prayer is wrongly attributed to Longchen Rabjampa and the empowerment erroneously ascribed to his Dzogchen cycle, the Nyingthik Yabzhi. The prayer is Jigme Lingpa's, and the empowerment belongs to his cycle, the Longchen Nyingthik.

That is, unless someone has evidence to the contrary... We all know that the catchy and meaningful titles of certain texts can be used contemporaneously or recycled over and over again, to the point that they basically become genres (Calling the Lama from Afar, anyone?)

There are several reasons Garchen Rinpoche would be teaching on such a theme, not just that the Longchen Nyingthik is a popular Dzogchen cycle. It may interest you to know that the connections between Jigme Lingpa and the Drikung lineage are very strong. Drikung_Dzogchen mentions that one of JL's main practices was a terma revealed by Gyalwang Rinchen Phuntsok (the 17th Drikung throneholder), and Malcolm confirms that he indeed received the Yangzab as well (see: viewtopic.php?t=15474#p213421)

JL was also a close friend of the 3rd Drikung Chungtsang Rinpoche, to the point that JL's only son, Nyinche Özer, was recognized as his subsequent incarnation. This was brought to my attention by orgyen jigmed (see:
viewtopic.php?f=50&t=3291&p=35949&hilit ... ung#p35944) and can be confirmed by the following page on Treasury of Lives:
https://treasuryoflives.org/biographies ... ingpa/5457

Incidentally, has anyone alerted the organizers by emailing info@garchen.de ?
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Re: Garchen Nyingtig Yabshi Germany 2018 Questions

Post by fckw » Mon May 07, 2018 6:55 am

Now I am confused. So, is this going to be the Longchen Nyingtik or the Nyingtik Yabzhi empowerment?

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Re: Garchen Nyingtig Yabshi Germany 2018 Questions

Post by heart » Mon May 07, 2018 11:28 am

fckw wrote:
Mon May 07, 2018 6:55 am
Now I am confused. So, is this going to be the Longchen Nyingtik or the Nyingtik Yabzhi empowerment?
Yumkha Dechen Gyalmo is from the Longchen Nyingtik, not the Nyingtik Yabshi. So obviously it will not be the Nyingtik Yabshi.

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Re: Garchen Nyingtig Yabshi Germany 2018 Questions

Post by conebeckham » Mon May 07, 2018 5:06 pm

As Magnus says....

The Longchen Nyingthik is a terma of Jigme Lingpa, revealed from visions of Longchenpa, and Yumkha Dechen Gyalmo is the Dakini Root practice. There are associated sadhanas and practices for this practice, and it's often done in a three year retreat after the Guru Practice, Rigdzin Dupa.

Nyingthik Yabshi is a collection of Dzogchen instructions compiled by Longchenpa. There are mulitple volumes, and receiving the empowerments in full would take several days. Sometimes only a portion is given...for instance sometimes the Khandro Yangtik or Khandro Nyingthik is given on it's own, or sometimes the Lama Yangthik.....
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