Liberation through Taste Medicine???

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Liberation through Taste Medicine???

Post by liuzg150181 » Thu Jan 11, 2018 5:39 pm

At times visiting Rinpoches would distribute some medicine of sort(usually black),and it is said to be benficial to take everyday. One of them come in a paper wrapping which states something abt "Liberation Through Taste",what does it exactly means? And is it the only purpose of such medicine?
Posting in Nyingma sub-forum,as I recall this is something Nyingma-specific(and based on my memory,only Nyingma lamas and rinpoches distribute such substance).

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Re: Liberation through Taste Medicine???

Post by csmorg96 » Thu Jan 11, 2018 9:01 pm

liuzg150181 wrote:
Thu Jan 11, 2018 5:39 pm
At times visiting Rinpoches would distribute some medicine of sort(usually black),and it is said to be benficial to take everyday. One of them come in a paper wrapping which states something abt "Liberation Through Taste",what does it exactly means? And is it the only purpose of such medicine?
Posting in Nyingma sub-forum,as I recall this is something Nyingma-specific(and based on my memory,only Nyingma lamas and rinpoches distribute such substance).
In my extremely limited experience, lamas gifting Mendrup seems common. I only have experience with Nyingmapas so I cannot say if this exists in other schools.

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Re: Liberation through Taste Medicine???

Post by heart » Thu Jan 11, 2018 9:06 pm

liuzg150181 wrote:
Thu Jan 11, 2018 5:39 pm
At times visiting Rinpoches would distribute some medicine of sort(usually black),and it is said to be benficial to take everyday. One of them come in a paper wrapping which states something abt "Liberation Through Taste",what does it exactly means? And is it the only purpose of such medicine?
Posting in Nyingma sub-forum,as I recall this is something Nyingma-specific(and based on my memory,only Nyingma lamas and rinpoches distribute such substance).
It is a Dzogchen thing, liberation through the five senses. One of Phachok Rinpoches specialities.

/magnus
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Re: Liberation through Taste Medicine???

Post by liuzg150181 » Fri Jan 12, 2018 5:29 pm

heart wrote:
Thu Jan 11, 2018 9:06 pm
liuzg150181 wrote:
Thu Jan 11, 2018 5:39 pm
At times visiting Rinpoches would distribute some medicine of sort(usually black),and it is said to be benficial to take everyday. One of them come in a paper wrapping which states something abt "Liberation Through Taste",what does it exactly means? And is it the only purpose of such medicine?
Posting in Nyingma sub-forum,as I recall this is something Nyingma-specific(and based on my memory,only Nyingma lamas and rinpoches distribute such substance).
It is a Dzogchen thing, liberation through the five senses. One of Phachok Rinpoches specialities.

/magnus
I should be more specific,what does it exactly by "liberation"? !00% going to Copper Coloured Mountain PureLand? Result in practice? Or?

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Re: Liberation through Taste Medicine???

Post by heart » Fri Jan 12, 2018 6:50 pm

liuzg150181 wrote:
Fri Jan 12, 2018 5:29 pm
heart wrote:
Thu Jan 11, 2018 9:06 pm
liuzg150181 wrote:
Thu Jan 11, 2018 5:39 pm
At times visiting Rinpoches would distribute some medicine of sort(usually black),and it is said to be benficial to take everyday. One of them come in a paper wrapping which states something abt "Liberation Through Taste",what does it exactly means? And is it the only purpose of such medicine?
Posting in Nyingma sub-forum,as I recall this is something Nyingma-specific(and based on my memory,only Nyingma lamas and rinpoches distribute such substance).
It is a Dzogchen thing, liberation through the five senses. One of Phachok Rinpoches specialities.

/magnus
I should be more specific,what does it exactly by "liberation"? !00% going to Copper Coloured Mountain PureLand? Result in practice? Or?
100% sure you will attain liberation, as in enlightenment, eventually... :smile:

/magnus
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Re: Liberation through Taste Medicine???

Post by DGA » Sat Jan 13, 2018 2:19 am

I have faith in that stuff based on the instructions of more than one excellent teacher.

Use as directed. Respect it. It's precious.

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Re: Liberation through Taste Medicine???

Post by pael » Sat Jan 13, 2018 12:55 pm

Where to get this medicine? Want to taste.
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Re: Liberation through Taste Medicine???

Post by heart » Sat Jan 13, 2018 4:56 pm

heart wrote:
Fri Jan 12, 2018 6:50 pm
liuzg150181 wrote:
Fri Jan 12, 2018 5:29 pm
heart wrote:
Thu Jan 11, 2018 9:06 pm


It is a Dzogchen thing, liberation through the five senses. One of Phachok Rinpoches specialities.

/magnus
I should be more specific,what does it exactly by "liberation"? !00% going to Copper Coloured Mountain PureLand? Result in practice? Or?
100% sure you will attain liberation, as in enlightenment, eventually... :smile:

/magnus
My master also say that if you taste this you will not be born in the lower realms next life, 100% sure.

/magnus
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"The principal practice is Guruyoga. But we need to understand that any secondary practice combined with Guruyoga becomes a principal practice." ChNNR (Teachings on Thun and Ganapuja)

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Re: Liberation through Taste Medicine???

Post by Kilaya. » Sat Jan 13, 2018 5:04 pm

heart wrote:
Sat Jan 13, 2018 4:56 pm

My master also say that if you taste this you will not be born in the lower realms next life, 100% sure.

/magnus
Somebody send me some of those, PLEASE! :smile:
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Re: Liberation through Taste Medicine???

Post by Malcolm » Sat Jan 13, 2018 5:38 pm

liuzg150181 wrote:
Thu Jan 11, 2018 5:39 pm
At times visiting Rinpoches would distribute some medicine of sort(usually black),and it is said to be benficial to take everyday. One of them come in a paper wrapping which states something abt "Liberation Through Taste",what does it exactly means? And is it the only purpose of such medicine?
Posting in Nyingma sub-forum,as I recall this is something Nyingma-specific(and based on my memory,only Nyingma lamas and rinpoches distribute such substance).

The six liberations are liberation through sight, sound, smell, taste, touch, and mind.

The last is for practitioners, the others are for non-practitioners.

If you are a serious Dzogchen practitioner it is 100% guaranteed that you will attain buddhahood either in this life, the bardo, or the next life (in the nirmanakāya buddhafields if you do not find time to practice much in this life but possess the instructions and understand them) depending on your diligence. If you are not so serious, but have faith in Dzogchen teachings, than it is certain you will obtain buddhahood within a few lifetimes.

Why do I say this? It is because this is what is said in all of the six major commentaries we have on the 17 tantras, as well as what is said in the 17 tantras themselves.
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འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


[A]nything at all that is well spoken is the word of the Buddha.

-- Ārya-adhyāśaya-sañcodana-nāma-mahāyāna-sūtra

The different sūtras in accord with the emptiness
taught by the Sugata are definitive in meaning;
One can understand that all of those Dharmas in
which a sentient being, individual, or person are taught are provisional in meaning.

-- Samadhirāja Sūtra

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Re: Liberation through Taste Medicine???

Post by liuzg150181 » Sat Jan 13, 2018 5:45 pm

pael wrote:
Sat Jan 13, 2018 12:55 pm
Where to get this medicine? Want to taste.
Go meet a lama or rinpoche who is in good mood to give you. :tongue:

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Re: Liberation through Taste Medicine???

Post by liuzg150181 » Sat Jan 13, 2018 5:46 pm

heart wrote:
Sat Jan 13, 2018 4:56 pm
heart wrote:
Fri Jan 12, 2018 6:50 pm
liuzg150181 wrote:
Fri Jan 12, 2018 5:29 pm


I should be more specific,what does it exactly by "liberation"? !00% going to Copper Coloured Mountain PureLand? Result in practice? Or?
100% sure you will attain liberation, as in enlightenment, eventually... :smile:

/magnus
My master also say that if you taste this you will not be born in the lower realms next life, 100% sure.

/magnus
Cool,but is there a point in tasting it more than once? Faster rate towards enlightenment? :mrgreen:

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Re: Liberation through Taste Medicine???

Post by liuzg150181 » Sat Jan 13, 2018 5:47 pm

Malcolm wrote:
Sat Jan 13, 2018 5:38 pm
liuzg150181 wrote:
Thu Jan 11, 2018 5:39 pm
At times visiting Rinpoches would distribute some medicine of sort(usually black),and it is said to be benficial to take everyday. One of them come in a paper wrapping which states something abt "Liberation Through Taste",what does it exactly means? And is it the only purpose of such medicine?
Posting in Nyingma sub-forum,as I recall this is something Nyingma-specific(and based on my memory,only Nyingma lamas and rinpoches distribute such substance).

The six liberations are liberation through sight, sound, smell, taste, touch, and mind.

The last is for practitioners, the others are for non-practitioners.

If you are a serious Dzogchen practitioner it is 100% guaranteed that you will attain buddhahood either in this life, the bardo, or the next life (in the nirmanakāya buddhafields if you do not find time to practice much in this life but possess the instructions and understand them) depending on your diligence. If you are not so serious, but have faith in Dzogchen teachings, than it is certain you will obtain buddhahood within a few lifetimes.

Why do I say this? It is because this is what is said in all of the six major commentaries we have on the 17 tantras, as well as what is said in the 17 tantras themselves.
I see,is liberation through mind referring to direct introduction?
And also,better to let the others taste it,such as dissolving it in water? But isnt it more efficient to use liberation to sight or sound since many ppl can view or hear it(to a lesser extent smell,but it is expendable unlike the other two)?
So no point doing HYT stuff that involves Creation and Completion stage once one is a serious Dzogchen practitioner?

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Re: Liberation through Taste Medicine???

Post by Malcolm » Sat Jan 13, 2018 5:55 pm

liuzg150181 wrote:
Sat Jan 13, 2018 5:47 pm

I see,is liberation through mind referring to direct introduction?
It refers to practicing Dzogchen.

And also,better to let the others taste it,such as dissolving it in water? But isnt it more efficient to use liberation to sight or sound since many ppl can view or hear it(to a lesser extent smell,but it is expendable unlike the other two)?
They all have their different uses.
So no point doing HYT stuff that involves Creation and Completion stage once one is a serious Dzogchen practitioner?
In my opinion, not much. Of course we always have secondary conditions, and for some people the indirect Atiyoga path is more effective since it is a path based on symbols.
Buddhahood in This Life
འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


[A]nything at all that is well spoken is the word of the Buddha.

-- Ārya-adhyāśaya-sañcodana-nāma-mahāyāna-sūtra

The different sūtras in accord with the emptiness
taught by the Sugata are definitive in meaning;
One can understand that all of those Dharmas in
which a sentient being, individual, or person are taught are provisional in meaning.

-- Samadhirāja Sūtra

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Re: Liberation through Taste Medicine???

Post by liuzg150181 » Sat Jan 13, 2018 6:04 pm

Malcolm wrote:
Sat Jan 13, 2018 5:55 pm
liuzg150181 wrote:
Sat Jan 13, 2018 5:47 pm

I see,is liberation through mind referring to direct introduction?
It refers to practicing Dzogchen.

And also,better to let the others taste it,such as dissolving it in water? But isnt it more efficient to use liberation to sight or sound since many ppl can view or hear it(to a lesser extent smell,but it is expendable unlike the other two)?
They all have their different uses.
So no point doing HYT stuff that involves Creation and Completion stage once one is a serious Dzogchen practitioner?
In my opinion, not much. Of course we always have secondary conditions, and for some people the indirect Atiyoga path is more effective since it is a path based on symbols.
May you elaborate on the different uses part and Atiyoga path vis-a-vis HYT? For the latter do you mean creation and development stage with Dzogchen view?

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Post by Malcolm » Sat Jan 13, 2018 6:13 pm

liuzg150181 wrote:
Sat Jan 13, 2018 6:04 pm
Malcolm wrote:
Sat Jan 13, 2018 5:55 pm
liuzg150181 wrote:
Sat Jan 13, 2018 5:47 pm

I see,is liberation through mind referring to direct introduction?
It refers to practicing Dzogchen.

And also,better to let the others taste it,such as dissolving it in water? But isnt it more efficient to use liberation to sight or sound since many ppl can view or hear it(to a lesser extent smell,but it is expendable unlike the other two)?
They all have their different uses.
So no point doing HYT stuff that involves Creation and Completion stage once one is a serious Dzogchen practitioner?
In my opinion, not much. Of course we always have secondary conditions, and for some people the indirect Atiyoga path is more effective since it is a path based on symbols.
May you elaborate on the different uses part and Atiyoga path vis-a-vis HYT? For the latter do you mean creation and development stage with Dzogchen view?
For example, with liberation through taste we give the dying person a little bit, or we can feed it to animals, or "liberation bomb" unsuspecting ordinary people; the same with special incense, we can use the six syllables, as in my sig, sing them, sing song of the vajra; we can make a tagdrol, which assists in practice; one can use their imagination.
Buddhahood in This Life
འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


[A]nything at all that is well spoken is the word of the Buddha.

-- Ārya-adhyāśaya-sañcodana-nāma-mahāyāna-sūtra

The different sūtras in accord with the emptiness
taught by the Sugata are definitive in meaning;
One can understand that all of those Dharmas in
which a sentient being, individual, or person are taught are provisional in meaning.

-- Samadhirāja Sūtra

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Re: Liberation through Taste Medicine???

Post by Malcolm » Sat Jan 13, 2018 6:17 pm

liuzg150181 wrote:
Sat Jan 13, 2018 6:04 pm
Malcolm wrote:
Sat Jan 13, 2018 5:55 pm
liuzg150181 wrote:
Sat Jan 13, 2018 5:47 pm

I see,is liberation through mind referring to direct introduction?
It refers to practicing Dzogchen.

And also,better to let the others taste it,such as dissolving it in water? But isnt it more efficient to use liberation to sight or sound since many ppl can view or hear it(to a lesser extent smell,but it is expendable unlike the other two)?
They all have their different uses.
So no point doing HYT stuff that involves Creation and Completion stage once one is a serious Dzogchen practitioner?
In my opinion, not much. Of course we always have secondary conditions, and for some people the indirect Atiyoga path is more effective since it is a path based on symbols.
May you elaborate on the different uses part and Atiyoga path vis-a-vis HYT? For the latter do you mean creation and development stage with Dzogchen view?
The unsurpassed secret cycle of Atiyoga (aka sNying thig) is based on direct perception. The mind series on down is based on inference and mind.

In Atiyoga, after receiving transmission, whether elaborate or not, you practice rushan, then trekchö, then thögal. Many people, masters and students, use Anuyoga as supporting practices. But it is not the main path. The main path is rushan, then trekchö, then thögal.
Buddhahood in This Life
འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


[A]nything at all that is well spoken is the word of the Buddha.

-- Ārya-adhyāśaya-sañcodana-nāma-mahāyāna-sūtra

The different sūtras in accord with the emptiness
taught by the Sugata are definitive in meaning;
One can understand that all of those Dharmas in
which a sentient being, individual, or person are taught are provisional in meaning.

-- Samadhirāja Sūtra

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Re: Liberation through Taste Medicine???

Post by Aryjna » Sat Jan 13, 2018 7:07 pm

Malcolm wrote:
Sat Jan 13, 2018 6:13 pm
For example, with liberation through taste we give the dying person a little bit, or we can feed it to animals, or "liberation bomb" unsuspecting ordinary people; the same with special incense, we can use the six syllables, as in my sig, sing them, sing song of the vajra; we can make a tagdrol, which assists in practice; one can use their imagination.
But isn't it a problem if someone overhears you saying the six syllables or another mantra? Excluding sutra mantras/dharanis.

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Re: Liberation through Taste Medicine???

Post by liuzg150181 » Sat Jan 13, 2018 7:08 pm

Malcolm wrote:
Sat Jan 13, 2018 6:17 pm
liuzg150181 wrote:
Sat Jan 13, 2018 6:04 pm
Malcolm wrote:
Sat Jan 13, 2018 5:55 pm


It refers to practicing Dzogchen.




They all have their different uses.



In my opinion, not much. Of course we always have secondary conditions, and for some people the indirect Atiyoga path is more effective since it is a path based on symbols.
May you elaborate on the different uses part and Atiyoga path vis-a-vis HYT? For the latter do you mean creation and development stage with Dzogchen view?
The unsurpassed secret cycle of Atiyoga (aka sNying thig) is based on direct perception. The mind series on down is based on inference and mind.

In Atiyoga, after receiving transmission, whether elaborate or not, you practice rushan, then trekchö, then thögal. Many people, masters and students, use Anuyoga as supporting practices. But it is not the main path. The main path is rushan, then trekchö, then thögal.
Ah,that makes Dzogchen path clearer to me now,good that I receive rushan teaching thru webcast early last yr. :thumbsup:

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Re: Liberation through Taste Medicine???

Post by Malcolm » Sat Jan 13, 2018 7:14 pm

Aryjna wrote:
Sat Jan 13, 2018 7:07 pm
Malcolm wrote:
Sat Jan 13, 2018 6:13 pm
For example, with liberation through taste we give the dying person a little bit, or we can feed it to animals, or "liberation bomb" unsuspecting ordinary people; the same with special incense, we can use the six syllables, as in my sig, sing them, sing song of the vajra; we can make a tagdrol, which assists in practice; one can use their imagination.
But isn't it a problem if someone overhears you saying the six syllables or another mantra? Excluding sutra mantras/dharanis.
With respect to the six spaces of Samantabhadra, 'a a ha sha sa ma, there is no problem at all. You want other beings to here it. Maybe people will find it weird, but you can chant it for animals, and dying people. It is not like other mantras, wrahtful mantras in particular.
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འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


[A]nything at all that is well spoken is the word of the Buddha.

-- Ārya-adhyāśaya-sañcodana-nāma-mahāyāna-sūtra

The different sūtras in accord with the emptiness
taught by the Sugata are definitive in meaning;
One can understand that all of those Dharmas in
which a sentient being, individual, or person are taught are provisional in meaning.

-- Samadhirāja Sūtra

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