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The Aro Authenticity Debate.
Re: The Aro Authenticity Debate.
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Re: The Aro Authenticity Debate.
You're citing CTR? Wasn't that guy an alcoholic and womanizer?
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Re: The Aro Authenticity Debate.
The Buddha when referred to prior to his awakening is called the Bodhisattva in Hinayāna texts.Grigoris wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 2:43 pmSay what??? Here is the original for context: http://lirs.ru/lib/sutra/Connected_Disc ... .Vol.I.pdf Starting on page 299 of the PDF, page 601 of the book.
He makes a mention of his sorjurn in Sattvhi as a Bodhisattva but it is not clear whether he is talking about his current life just prior to his enlightenment (this is a Theravada text, remember, so the Buddha was not enlightened until he plonked his ass down under the bodhi tree, up until that fateful occasion he was a Bodhisattva). Also there is no mention in the text about teachings from previous Buddhas.
So... No!
In the Bhayabherava Sutta Buddha mentions that he recalled his myriad pasts lives, who he was, what his name was an so on during the first watch of the night of his awakening, prior to gaining awakening. You really think during that time he did not recall teachings he received from Buddhas in the past?
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Re: The Aro Authenticity Debate.
Maybe off topic.... however I'm quite eager to know who the female Buddhist reincarnation of Gurdjieff is!dzogchungpa wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 6:57 pm
You're citing CTR? Wasn't that guy an alcoholic and womanizer?
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Adamantine wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 7:19 pmMaybe off topic.... however I'm quite eager to know who the female Buddhist reincarnation of Gurdjieff is!dzogchungpa wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 6:57 pm
You're citing CTR? Wasn't that guy an alcoholic and womanizer?
Me too! Some of that Gurdjieff stuff is very well spoken.
Anyway, it's really amazing how cathartic this debate has been, isn't it? I feel, like, so much more relaxed now.
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Lol I’m thinking you’re sort of evil.dzogchungpa wrote: ↑Wed Jan 24, 2018 1:34 am Me too! Some of that Gurdjieff stuff is very well spoken.
Anyway, it's really amazing how cathartic this debate has been, isn't it? I feel, like, so much more relaxed now.
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Re: The Aro Authenticity Debate.
dzogchungpa wrote: ↑Wed Jan 24, 2018 1:34 amAdamantine wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 7:19 pmMaybe off topic.... however I'm quite eager to know who the female Buddhist reincarnation of Gurdjieff is!dzogchungpa wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 6:57 pm
You're citing CTR? Wasn't that guy an alcoholic and womanizer?
Me too! Some of that Gurdjieff stuff is very well spoken.
Anyway, it's really amazing how cathartic this debate has been, isn't it? I feel, like, so much more relaxed now.
Re: The Aro Authenticity Debate.
And now you know! I follow her on facebook she seems like an unusual girl.dzogchungpa wrote: ↑Wed Jan 24, 2018 1:34 amAdamantine wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 7:19 pmMaybe off topic.... however I'm quite eager to know who the female Buddhist reincarnation of Gurdjieff is!dzogchungpa wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 6:57 pm
You're citing CTR? Wasn't that guy an alcoholic and womanizer?
Me too! Some of that Gurdjieff stuff is very well spoken.
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Re: The Aro Authenticity Debate.
heart wrote: ↑Wed Jan 24, 2018 7:37 amAnd now you know! I follow her on facebook she seems like an unusual girl.dzogchungpa wrote: ↑Wed Jan 24, 2018 1:34 amAdamantine wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 7:19 pm
Maybe off topic.... however I'm quite eager to know who the female Buddhist reincarnation of Gurdjieff is!
Me too! Some of that Gurdjieff stuff is very well spoken.
http://www.celticbuddhism.org/lineage.html
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Now that's interesting.
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Re: The Aro Authenticity Debate.
Are the celtic Buddhists an authentic nyingma lineage?dzogchungpa wrote: ↑Wed Jan 24, 2018 8:01 amheart wrote: ↑Wed Jan 24, 2018 7:37 amAnd now you know! I follow her on facebook she seems like an unusual girl.dzogchungpa wrote: ↑Wed Jan 24, 2018 1:34 am
Me too! Some of that Gurdjieff stuff is very well spoken.
http://www.celticbuddhism.org/lineage.html
/magnus
Now that's interesting.
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*The celtic buddhists Authenticity Debate starts here*
Re: The Aro Authenticity Debate.
Are you repeating my point for your sake or for mine?
Ummmmm... We are not discussing the Bhayabherava Sutta (MN 4), we are discussing SN 12.65. Regardless of this fact, in MN 4 it is still not 100% clear whether he is referring to realisations arising during his life as a Bodhisattva in his last life (but prior to his enlightenment during his last life) or in a previous life. Like I said: unlike Mahayana where the Buddha was already a Buddha before his appearance in this world, in Theravada he was a Bodhisattva up until the point where he sat under the bodhi tree and achieved enlightenment (but now I am repeating myself).In the Bhayabherava Sutta Buddha mentions that he recalled his myriad pasts lives, who he was, what his name was an so on during the first watch of the night of his awakening, prior to gaining awakening. You really think during that time he did not recall teachings he received from Buddhas in the past?
He does mention recollection of his past lives in MN 4, but he makes no mention of his knowledge arising from teachings he received from other Buddhas. So I fail to see why you mention the particular Sutta as it is not really evidence against the notion that Dharma is eternal ie it does not contradict my interpretation of SN 12.65.
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Re: The Aro Authenticity Debate.
It doesn't get more establishment ("authentic") than Tsoknyi Rinpoche: a tulku from a family of tulku, holder of two lineages, has his own monastery, taught by some of the greatest teachers around, etc...PuerAzaelis wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 3:38 pmTsoknyi Rinpoche has this thing where he says ok, I'm now going to give you the final ultimate super-secret mantra empowerment please sit up and pay attention - "who cares?" That's it. Oh, wait, I forgot to make it super holy - "Om, who cares, Soha".
Shiiiiiitttt... He even has Richard Gere officially listed as a student.
"My religion is not deceiving myself."
Jetsun Milarepa 1052-1135 CE
"Butchers, prostitutes, those guilty of the five most heinous crimes, outcasts, the underprivileged: all are utterly the substance of existence and nothing other than total bliss."
The Supreme Source - The Kunjed Gyalpo
The Fundamental Tantra of Dzogchen Semde
Jetsun Milarepa 1052-1135 CE
"Butchers, prostitutes, those guilty of the five most heinous crimes, outcasts, the underprivileged: all are utterly the substance of existence and nothing other than total bliss."
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Re: The Aro Authenticity Debate.
I have, partially; when i was looking for karmamudra teachings/instructions i've examined a few words without knowing of it's controversy and discarded it. Sorry. It lacked substance.
Don't know if this satisfy you all haha, it's only my experience, which is as valid as yours. Maybe someone else has karma or something for this to be useful in some way.
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Btw, in the end i need oral -not from a book-
instructions on Naropa's yogas, which contains the secondary practice of karmamudra, from a experienced lama/yogin, and the very best is taking Chakrasamvara initiation also, and of course integrate with the yidam. For recive this -specifically the karmamudra directions- i need to proove myself as a serious yogin. This is no toy, i mean it... i need some luck. That's of someone also want some info about.
And guys, the are quarrels here... kaliyuga sounds familiar?
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Re: The Aro Authenticity Debate.
Well here's one of their profiles. There's also a Rinpoche! This one mentions being recognised by ChNN asa teacher:Tiago Simões wrote: ↑Wed Jan 24, 2018 8:21 amAre the celtic Buddhists an authentic nyingma lineage?dzogchungpa wrote: ↑Wed Jan 24, 2018 8:01 amheart wrote: ↑Wed Jan 24, 2018 7:37 am
And now you know! I follow her on facebook she seems like an unusual girl.
http://www.celticbuddhism.org/lineage.html
/magnus
Now that's interesting.
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*The celtic buddhists Authenticity Debate starts here*
''Venerable Thom Kilts was ordained with his wife Sarah at the Oracle statue on Boa Island in Ireland in 2007. He has a lifetime of Buddhist training in both secular and monastic settings. Thom was endorsed by Tulku Thondup Rinpoche and Chogyal Namkhai Rinpoche separately as a Dharma Teacher in the Nyingmapa Lineage of Vajrayana Buddhism before becoming a Lineage Holder of Celtic Buddhism. ''
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Re: The Aro Authenticity Debate.
Just because all teachings *might* be valid, it does not follow that all *are* valid. Some are just delusional.Tiago Simões wrote: ↑Wed Jan 24, 2018 8:21 amAre the celtic Buddhists an authentic nyingma lineage?dzogchungpa wrote: ↑Wed Jan 24, 2018 8:01 amheart wrote: ↑Wed Jan 24, 2018 7:37 am
And now you know! I follow her on facebook she seems like an unusual girl.
http://www.celticbuddhism.org/lineage.html
/magnus
Now that's interesting.
...
*The celtic buddhists Authenticity Debate starts here*
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Re: The Aro Authenticity Debate.
Time to create slavic buddhism. All the teachings can be traced to buddha Vždydobroj (Samantabhadra) and Diamantomysl... okay bit harder than expected.PeterC wrote: ↑Wed Jan 24, 2018 12:32 pmJust because all teachings *might* be valid, it does not follow that all *are* valid. Some are just delusional.Tiago Simões wrote: ↑Wed Jan 24, 2018 8:21 amAre the celtic Buddhists an authentic nyingma lineage?
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*The celtic buddhists Authenticity Debate starts here*
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For those who do virtuous actions,
goodness is what comes to pass.
For those who do non-virtuous actions,
that becomes suffering indeed.
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Re: The Aro Authenticity Debate.
You need oral karmamudra, huh? Don't we all?javier.espinoza.t wrote: ↑Wed Jan 24, 2018 9:21 amI have, partially; when i was looking for karmamudra teachings/instructions i've examined a few words without knowing of it's controversy and discarded it. Sorry. It lacked substance.
Don't know if this satisfy you all haha, it's only my experience, which is as valid as yours. Maybe someone else has karma or something for this to be useful in some way.
_______
Btw, in the end i need oral -not from a book-
instructions on Naropa's yogas, which contains the secondary practice of karmamudra, from a experienced lama/yogin, and the very best is taking Chakrasamvara initiation also, and of course integrate with the yidam. For recive this -specifically the karmamudra directions- i need to proove myself as a serious yogin. This is no toy, i mean it... i need some luck. That's of someone also want some info about.
And guys, the are quarrels here... kaliyuga sounds familiar?
"My religion is not deceiving myself."
Jetsun Milarepa 1052-1135 CE
"Butchers, prostitutes, those guilty of the five most heinous crimes, outcasts, the underprivileged: all are utterly the substance of existence and nothing other than total bliss."
The Supreme Source - The Kunjed Gyalpo
The Fundamental Tantra of Dzogchen Semde
Jetsun Milarepa 1052-1135 CE
"Butchers, prostitutes, those guilty of the five most heinous crimes, outcasts, the underprivileged: all are utterly the substance of existence and nothing other than total bliss."
The Supreme Source - The Kunjed Gyalpo
The Fundamental Tantra of Dzogchen Semde
Re: The Aro Authenticity Debate.
He is a "Venerable" (ie a monastic) and married?Mantrik wrote: ↑Wed Jan 24, 2018 9:42 amWell here's one of their profiles. There's also a Rinpoche! This one mentions being recognised by ChNN asa teacher:
''Venerable Thom Kilts was ordained with his wife Sarah at the Oracle statue on Boa Island in Ireland in 2007. He has a lifetime of Buddhist training in both secular and monastic settings. Thom was endorsed by Tulku Thondup Rinpoche and Chogyal Namkhai Rinpoche separately as a Dharma Teacher in the Nyingmapa Lineage of Vajrayana Buddhism before becoming a Lineage Holder of Celtic Buddhism. ''
Well I guess, like somebody else around here said: If they believe it, it must be true.
"My religion is not deceiving myself."
Jetsun Milarepa 1052-1135 CE
"Butchers, prostitutes, those guilty of the five most heinous crimes, outcasts, the underprivileged: all are utterly the substance of existence and nothing other than total bliss."
The Supreme Source - The Kunjed Gyalpo
The Fundamental Tantra of Dzogchen Semde
Jetsun Milarepa 1052-1135 CE
"Butchers, prostitutes, those guilty of the five most heinous crimes, outcasts, the underprivileged: all are utterly the substance of existence and nothing other than total bliss."
The Supreme Source - The Kunjed Gyalpo
The Fundamental Tantra of Dzogchen Semde
Re: The Aro Authenticity Debate.
I'd suggest starting another thread, but the founder of this group of Knights, Rinpoches, Venerables etc. has already been discussed here on DW re. 'Celtic Buddhism'. It's one thing to have a fantasy lineage..........and quite another to claim authority from a living Master, ChNN, to teach in the Nyingma.Grigoris wrote: ↑Wed Jan 24, 2018 1:21 pmHe is a "Venerable" (ie a monastic) and married?Mantrik wrote: ↑Wed Jan 24, 2018 9:42 amWell here's one of their profiles. There's also a Rinpoche! This one mentions being recognised by ChNN asa teacher:
''Venerable Thom Kilts was ordained with his wife Sarah at the Oracle statue on Boa Island in Ireland in 2007. He has a lifetime of Buddhist training in both secular and monastic settings. Thom was endorsed by Tulku Thondup Rinpoche and Chogyal Namkhai Rinpoche separately as a Dharma Teacher in the Nyingmapa Lineage of Vajrayana Buddhism before becoming a Lineage Holder of Celtic Buddhism. ''
Well I guess, like somebody else around here said: If they believe it, it must be true.
As far as I know ChNN does not give people authority to teach in the Nyingma lineage; is this correct?
If the guy is earning money off the back of this, leaving aside the whacky Dharma stuff, it could be fraud. Unless, of course, there is another Chogyal Namkhai....
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Suvarna Pakshaya Dheemahe
Thanno Garuda Prachodayath
Micchāmi Dukkaḍaṃ (मिच्छामि दुक्कडम्)
Om Thathpurushaya Vidhmahe
Suvarna Pakshaya Dheemahe
Thanno Garuda Prachodayath
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Re: The Aro Authenticity Debate.
From what I understand, they were inspired by Trungpa Rinpoche. Personally an attempt to try and join a living tradition (Vajrayana) and a dead recreated religion (celtic neo-paganism) can only end in a pretty silly joke.Mantrik wrote: ↑Wed Jan 24, 2018 1:39 pm I'd suggest starting another thread, but the founder of this group of Knights, Rinpoches, Venerables etc. has already been discussed here on DW re. 'Celtic Buddhism'. It's one thing to have a fantasy lineage..........and quite another to claim authority from a living Master, ChNN, to teach in the Nyingma.
As far as I know ChNN does not give people authority to teach in the Nyingma lineage; is this correct?
If the guy is earning money off the back of this, leaving aside the whacky Dharma stuff, it could be fraud. Unless, of course, there is another Chogyal Namkhai....