dzoki wrote: ↑
Fri Jan 19, 2018 1:20 pm
Furthermore Chogyam misused name of Ngagpa Yeshe Dorje and when Yeshe Dorje Rinpoche protested that, Chogyam decided to sue him.
That is not what happened. I was there, you were not.
Aro Lingma is a fictional character, becuase Togden Rangrig had no such daughter, don't you think a terton of her "stature" would be at least mentioned in his biography? Since vajrayana teaching depends on the lineage, even if the words of the teaching are not in contradiction with buddhadharma, if there is no lineage, there is no blessing. You can read biography of Terton Rangrig here:
https://www.tbrc.org/#library_work_View ... %7C1%7C374
Whatever made you think that the person described as the father of "Aro Lingma" is Nyala Rangrig Dorje? It certainly is not evident from the proffered bio one can find on the web. And you have to admit the melong tied to the guy's beard is a nice touch -- I have always found the Aro pirate themes amusing. Even if the backstory of Aro is entirely fantasy, we should keep our facts straight about what they are claiming as opposed to what they are not claiming.
What you seem to fail to understand that is that Buddhist texts are full of ahistorical persons, such as Mañjuśrī, Avalokiteśvara, Tāra, and so on. We have ballads of Gesar concerning his invasion and conquest of Germany
which many Tibetans, for example, accept at face value.
If anybody has doubt that Aro is a fake or authentic terma you can ask senior students of Chime Rigdzin, what Rinpoche, who was himself a terton, thought about Chogyam's activitiy as a "terton". You can ask James Law, Gudrun Knuasenberger or Ugyen Chencho Rinpoche.
You do understand that citing chains of authority only leads back to one's own judgment, right? In the end it is we ourselves who decide what is false and what is true. No one can do that for us, not even the Buddha.
So, you have decided the Aro trip is fraudulent, and that is totally cool with me.
But let me put it you this way. If some Sakyapa or Gelugpa came up to you and said that your practice was fraudulent because it had no lineage and was just a fantasy concocted by a Tibetan named Dili Terton, how would you feel? You would feel completely disrespected. Well, I am pointing out to you that there are hundreds of people who find a great deal of value in Aroter, who follow it, try to practice it, and if they were to read your denunciations of their tradition, I can imagine that they would feel completely disrespected. So you need to put yourself in their place, and see how things feel from their point of view, and frankly, stop being so unkind to them with your self-righteous denunciations. Just as you cannot prove the validity of your tradition, you also cannot prove their tradition is false.
All we can do is live and let live and each go our separate ways, which is how Tibetans actually deal with these issues. You might try following their lead.