The Aro Authenticity Debate.

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Re: The Aro Authenticity Debate.

Post by Adamantine » Fri Jan 26, 2018 3:39 pm

heart wrote:
Fri Jan 26, 2018 8:02 am
DGA wrote:
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heart wrote:
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And now you know! I follow her on facebook she seems like an unusual girl.

http://www.celticbuddhism.org/lineage.html

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Gurdjieff took rebirth as an online "Ego Slaughterer?"
Ozay Rinpoche is a well-known personage on the Internet where he works as an Ego Slaughterer. Before ‘slaughtering egos’ Ozay spent some time in prison where he started a vigorous discipline of Bible reading and meditation practice. This process allowed Ozay to escape his imprisonment --not from the cell he was in but from the imprisonment of the mind, reaching enlightenment in 1982. Ozay then gave this non-experience the words "I have completely realized my-self" .Ozay remembers many life-times and recognizes many people around him from those former lives. As Gurdjieff, he always wanted to come and stay in England but was refused entrance into the UK on many occasions. This unfulfilled desire manifested in this lifetime by Ozay being born in London around the corner from J.G.Bennett, a life long pupil of Gurdjieff.
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Nah, was referring to this.
Sophie Octavia Pushpa Perks was born at the Kalapa Court in Boulder, Colorado, the residence of Chogyam Trungpa Rinpoche where her mother and father were servants. At her birth Trungpa recognized Sophie as an incarnation of G.I. Gurdjieff. In 2000, Sophie became a student of Jetsun Khandro Rinpoche and Jetsun Dechen Paldron. She worked for eleven years at the Santen Tse Retreat Center in Mussoorie, India, the Lotus Garden Retreat Center in Virginia, and traveled worldwide with her teachers. Sophie accomplished all the preliminary practices in both the Kagyu and Nyingma traditions of Tibetan Buddhism. She currently resides in New York City where she is a caregiver for private clients.
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Wow. :woohoo: well, Gurdjieff's quite pretty this time around. I noticed on her FB the last major life event was "not being recognized as a tulku" in 2016 :lol:
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Re: The Aro Authenticity Debate.

Post by Adamantine » Fri Jan 26, 2018 3:50 pm

PeterC wrote:
Fri Jan 26, 2018 8:06 am
heart wrote:
Fri Jan 26, 2018 8:02 am
Ozay Rinpoche is a well-known personage on the Internet where he works as an Ego Slaughterer. Before ‘slaughtering egos’ Ozay spent some time in prison where he started a vigorous discipline of Bible reading and meditation practice. This process allowed Ozay to escape his imprisonment --not from the cell he was in but from the imprisonment of the mind, reaching enlightenment in 1982. Ozay then gave this non-experience the words "I have completely realized my-self" .Ozay remembers many life-times and recognizes many people around him from those former lives. As Gurdjieff, he always wanted to come and stay in England but was refused entrance into the UK on many occasions. This unfulfilled desire manifested in this lifetime by Ozay being born in London around the corner from J.G.Bennett, a life long pupil of Gurdjieff.
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Nah, was referring to this.
Sophie Octavia Pushpa Perks was born at the Kalapa Court in Boulder, Colorado, the residence of Chogyam Trungpa Rinpoche where her mother and father were servants. At her birth Trungpa recognized Sophie as an incarnation of G.I. Gurdjieff. In 2000, Sophie became a student of Jetsun Khandro Rinpoche and Jetsun Dechen Paldron. She worked for eleven years at the Santen Tse Retreat Center in Mussoorie, India, the Lotus Garden Retreat Center in Virginia, and traveled worldwide with her teachers. Sophie accomplished all the preliminary practices in both the Kagyu and Nyingma traditions of Tibetan Buddhism. She currently resides in New York City where she is a caregiver for private clients.


OK, well, that's two. So if we're going for body/speech/mind/qualities/activities we still have space for three more emanations. Any volunteers?
Wait.. who is the other one??
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Re: The Aro Authenticity Debate.

Post by Adamantine » Fri Jan 26, 2018 4:02 pm

Mantrik wrote:
Fri Jan 26, 2018 3:24 pm
Tiago Simões wrote:
Fri Jan 26, 2018 2:45 pm
Oh crikey! he's back. It's been 2 years.
Maybe had a holiday on 10th Bhumi?
Count down to thread closure............

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Post by Knotty Veneer » Fri Jan 26, 2018 4:11 pm

I once met Seonaidh Perks about 20 years ago when he tried to visit a Dharma Centre in Dublin I was attending.

He had spoken I think at another Shambhala centre and he think he had impressed some of the folks there with his stories of Trungpa.

He's like a few characters I've known over the years who've tried to parlay early involvement and proximity to Trungpa into a paying gig.

I thought at the time (and still do) that he was crazy like a fox but essentially harmless. Told a good yarn but that's the height of it.

The Aro folks - who I've only ever viewed from afar - strike me as similar. Nothing to get too worked up about.
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Re: The Aro Authenticity Debate.

Post by PeterC » Fri Jan 26, 2018 5:27 pm

Adamantine wrote:
Fri Jan 26, 2018 3:50 pm
PeterC wrote:
Fri Jan 26, 2018 8:06 am
heart wrote:
Fri Jan 26, 2018 8:02 am



:shrug:
Nah, was referring to this.
Sophie Octavia Pushpa Perks was born at the Kalapa Court in Boulder, Colorado, the residence of Chogyam Trungpa Rinpoche where her mother and father were servants. At her birth Trungpa recognized Sophie as an incarnation of G.I. Gurdjieff. In 2000, Sophie became a student of Jetsun Khandro Rinpoche and Jetsun Dechen Paldron. She worked for eleven years at the Santen Tse Retreat Center in Mussoorie, India, the Lotus Garden Retreat Center in Virginia, and traveled worldwide with her teachers. Sophie accomplished all the preliminary practices in both the Kagyu and Nyingma traditions of Tibetan Buddhism. She currently resides in New York City where she is a caregiver for private clients.


OK, well, that's two. So if we're going for body/speech/mind/qualities/activities we still have space for three more emanations. Any volunteers?
Wait.. who is the other one??

Did I misunderstand - the Ego Slaughterer is one, Ms. Pushpa Perks is another, if it's ok to have multiple incarnations of famous tulku lineages then I don't see why there isn't room for a few more Gurdjieffs in the world - after all, everything's valid, isn't it?

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Re: The Aro Authenticity Debate.

Post by dzogchungpa » Fri Jan 26, 2018 5:50 pm

DGA wrote:
Fri Jan 26, 2018 2:53 pm
PeterC wrote:
Fri Jan 26, 2018 8:06 am
OK, well, that's two. So if we're going for body/speech/mind/qualities/activities we still have space for three more emanations. Any volunteers?
EJ Gold of Grass Valley, CA. Born well before Gurdjieff died but we don't need to let facts get in the way of a good narrative.

http://deletedwiki.com/index.php?title=E._J._Gold

There's actually a name for the phenomenon of an emanation being born before the death of the emanator, "ma 'das sprul sku", and apparently Dudjom Rinpoche, Jigdrel Yeshe Dorje, was one such. Just sayin'.
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Re: The Aro Authenticity Debate.

Post by Mantrik » Fri Jan 26, 2018 6:25 pm

Adamantine wrote:
Fri Jan 26, 2018 4:02 pm
Mantrik wrote:
Fri Jan 26, 2018 3:24 pm
Tiago Simões wrote:
Fri Jan 26, 2018 2:45 pm
Oh crikey! he's back. It's been 2 years.
Maybe had a holiday on 10th Bhumi?
Count down to thread closure............

I tried tuning into Aro but the aether just didn't vibrate my way, even with nakedness and an orgone box I just couldn't hit the mark.
Here Mantrik, maybe this visual aid will help you!

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Re: The Aro Authenticity Debate.

Post by Grigoris » Fri Jan 26, 2018 6:35 pm

What about the peek-a-boo nipple? Just a bit naughty!
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Re: The Aro Authenticity Debate.

Post by Malcolm » Fri Jan 26, 2018 6:37 pm

Grigoris wrote:
Fri Jan 26, 2018 6:35 pm
What about the peek-a-boo nipple? Just a bit naughty!
A thought has occurred to me numerous times, that the whole Aro thing is a deliberate parody...
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Re: The Aro Authenticity Debate.

Post by dzogchungpa » Fri Jan 26, 2018 7:00 pm

Malcolm wrote:
Fri Jan 26, 2018 6:37 pm
Grigoris wrote:
Fri Jan 26, 2018 6:35 pm
What about the peek-a-boo nipple? Just a bit naughty!
A thought has occurred to me numerous times, that the whole Aro thing is a deliberate parody...

Me too, and I don't think that is necessarily a bad thing.
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Post by Mantrik » Fri Jan 26, 2018 7:05 pm

Grigoris wrote:
Fri Jan 26, 2018 6:35 pm
What about the peek-a-boo nipple? Just a bit naughty!
Yes, maybe Malcolm is right about the possibly deliberate parody...or just inventing a very watered down visual hint at her as a dakini like Vajrayogini.
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Re: The Aro Authenticity Debate.

Post by Grigoris » Fri Jan 26, 2018 7:14 pm

dzogchungpa wrote:
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Me too, and I don't think that is necessarily a bad thing.
Except for maybe being a complete and utter waste of one's precious human existence.
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Re: The Aro Authenticity Debate.

Post by dzogchungpa » Fri Jan 26, 2018 7:21 pm

Grigoris wrote:
Fri Jan 26, 2018 7:14 pm
dzogchungpa wrote:
Fri Jan 26, 2018 7:00 pm
Me too, and I don't think that is necessarily a bad thing.
Except for maybe being a complete and utter waste of one's precious human existence.

Well, it's at least conceivable that a liberating teaching could be expressed in the form of a deliberate parody, isn't it?
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Re: The Aro Authenticity Debate.

Post by Malcolm » Fri Jan 26, 2018 8:37 pm

Grigoris wrote:
Fri Jan 26, 2018 7:14 pm
dzogchungpa wrote:
Fri Jan 26, 2018 7:00 pm
Me too, and I don't think that is necessarily a bad thing.
Except for maybe being a complete and utter waste of one's precious human existence.

Oh, with so many people wasting their precious human birth, what does one more matter?
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Re: The Aro Authenticity Debate.

Post by marting » Fri Jan 26, 2018 8:58 pm

Grigoris wrote:
Fri Jan 26, 2018 7:14 pm
dzogchungpa wrote:
Fri Jan 26, 2018 7:00 pm
Me too, and I don't think that is necessarily a bad thing.
Except for maybe being a complete and utter waste of one's precious human existence.
It really comes down to minding our own business. Who cares what someone does with their life.

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Post by pemachophel » Fri Jan 26, 2018 9:56 pm

a bodhisatva cares, and grigoris is a bodhisatva.
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Post by Motova » Fri Jan 26, 2018 10:28 pm

Thank you to all the contributors here. I feel it has helped reduce my sectarianism and increased my patience.

From what I've learnt in my limited experience is that it is impossible to convert someone to Buddhism or a Buddhist to Dharma.

As long as others aren't hurting themselves or others directly then it's not our business.
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Post by Grigoris » Fri Jan 26, 2018 10:36 pm

pemachophel wrote:
Fri Jan 26, 2018 9:56 pm
a bodhisatva cares, and grigoris is a bodhisatva.
That's me: a bodhisattva on the first bhumi, master son of sun buddha, teacher of jews and gentiles, dragon master.

(apologies to filipino master tian xian)
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Re: The Aro Authenticity Debate.

Post by dzogchungpa » Fri Jan 26, 2018 11:10 pm

Grigoris wrote:
Fri Jan 26, 2018 10:36 pm
pemachophel wrote:
Fri Jan 26, 2018 9:56 pm
a bodhisatva cares, and grigoris is a bodhisatva.
That's me: a bodhisattva on the first bhumi, master son of sun buddha, teacher of jews and gentiles, dragon master.

(apologies to filipino master tian xian)


Is first bhumi a requirement for being a mod here? Maybe that's why I've never been asked. :cry:
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Re: The Aro Authenticity Debate.

Post by florin » Fri Jan 26, 2018 11:39 pm

For those still in doubt whether Aro was real maybe this could help things along.
After all Aro might have roots in the history of romanian automotive industry.
And yes that was a real car...
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