Looking for Dzogchen Semde material

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Looking for Dzogchen Semde material

Post by Dharmasagara » Fri Mar 02, 2018 3:14 pm

A question to all in the know:

In my quest for getting some idea about the system(s) of Dzogchen presentation I am finding out that knowledge on mind class (semde, sems lde) is quite hard to come by. All the world talks about the instruction class - threkchö and thögal - but the mind class is seems forgotten. Due to some remarks here and there I even suspect that in the Nyingmapa tradition as a whole there is not so much left in active practice.
To make it short: If there is some good presentations of the mind class path out there could you please give me some hint where to look for?

Thanks so much in advance!
Sagara

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Re: Looking for Dzogchen Semde material

Post by Malcolm » Fri Mar 02, 2018 3:55 pm

Dharmasagara wrote:
Fri Mar 02, 2018 3:14 pm
A question to all in the know:

In my quest for getting some idea about the system(s) of Dzogchen presentation I am finding out that knowledge on mind class (semde, sems lde) is quite hard to come by. All the world talks about the instruction class - threkchö and thögal - but the mind class is seems forgotten. Due to some remarks here and there I even suspect that in the Nyingmapa tradition as a whole there is not so much left in active practice.
To make it short: If there is some good presentations of the mind class path out there could you please give me some hint where to look for?

Thanks so much in advance!
Sagara
Chogyal Namkhai Norbu has extensive materials on sems sde in his SMS program.
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Re: Looking for Dzogchen Semde material

Post by Kunzang Tobgyal » Fri Mar 02, 2018 5:27 pm

Dharmasagara wrote:
Fri Mar 02, 2018 3:14 pm
A question to all in the know:

In my quest for getting some idea about the system(s) of Dzogchen presentation I am finding out that knowledge on mind class (semde, sems lde) is quite hard to come by. All the world talks about the instruction class - threkchö and thögal - but the mind class is seems forgotten. Due to some remarks here and there I even suspect that in the Nyingmapa tradition as a whole there is not so much left in active practice.
To make it short: If there is some good presentations of the mind class path out there could you please give me some hint where to look for?

Thanks so much in advance!
Sagara
Also check out;

Kunjed Gyalpo Series
Ornament of the State of Samantabhadra
Commentary on the All-Creating King
Pure Perfect Presence
Great Perfection of All Phenomena.

Translated by Jim Valby.

Google: Jim Valby Things

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Re: Looking for Dzogchen Semde material

Post by florin » Fri Mar 02, 2018 7:54 pm

Dharmasagara wrote:
Fri Mar 02, 2018 3:14 pm
A question to all in the know:

In my quest for getting some idea about the system(s) of Dzogchen presentation I am finding out that knowledge on mind class (semde, sems lde) is quite hard to come by. All the world talks about the instruction class - threkchö and thögal - but the mind class is seems forgotten. Due to some remarks here and there I even suspect that in the Nyingmapa tradition as a whole there is not so much left in active practice.
To make it short: If there is some good presentations of the mind class path out there could you please give me some hint where to look for?

Thanks so much in advance!
Sagara
Have a look at Supreme Source
Ornament of the state of Samantabadra - a commentary on the above text
Two dzogxhen texts by Jim Valby
Marvellous primordial state
Teachings on Semde by sodogpa
The four contemplations of semde
Dorje Sempa Namkha che
The nature of diverse phenomena is non-dual. This means that both pure vision and impure vision are a manifestation of the energy of the primordial state. Even though in reality there is no duality, everything manifests separately. KG

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Post by Pema Rigdzin » Wed Mar 07, 2018 1:15 am

My gurus Khenchen Palden Sherab and Khenpo Tsewang Dongyal published a really fantastic called "The Nature of Mind: The Dzogchen instructions of Aro Yeshe Jungne", which is their commentary on Patrul Rinpoche's commentary on Aro Yeshe Jungne's Sem de teachings. It breaks down instructions on the nine levels of Dzogchen practitioners' capacity. IOW, high, middling, and lower capacity, with each of those further divided, i.e. high high, middle high, and low high; high middle, middle middle, and low middle, and so on. It's available in both hard copy and as a Kindle book.

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Post by Lukeinaz » Wed Mar 07, 2018 1:23 am

florin wrote:
Fri Mar 02, 2018 7:54 pm
Dharmasagara wrote:
Fri Mar 02, 2018 3:14 pm
A question to all in the know:

In my quest for getting some idea about the system(s) of Dzogchen presentation I am finding out that knowledge on mind class (semde, sems lde) is quite hard to come by. All the world talks about the instruction class - threkchö and thögal - but the mind class is seems forgotten. Due to some remarks here and there I even suspect that in the Nyingmapa tradition as a whole there is not so much left in active practice.
To make it short: If there is some good presentations of the mind class path out there could you please give me some hint where to look for?

Thanks so much in advance!
Sagara
Have a look at Supreme Source
Ornament of the state of Samantabadra - a commentary on the above text
Two dzogxhen texts by Jim Valby
Marvellous primordial state
Teachings on Semde by sodogpa
The four contemplations of semde
Dorje Sempa Namkha che
Does one need specific lung to read Dorje Sempa, or is DI enough?
You are truly astonishing--going to look for yourself when you already are yourself! --Longchen Rabjam

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Re: Looking for Dzogchen Semde material

Post by florin » Wed Mar 07, 2018 2:01 am

Lukeinaz wrote:
Wed Mar 07, 2018 1:23 am
florin wrote:
Fri Mar 02, 2018 7:54 pm
Dharmasagara wrote:
Fri Mar 02, 2018 3:14 pm
A question to all in the know:

In my quest for getting some idea about the system(s) of Dzogchen presentation I am finding out that knowledge on mind class (semde, sems lde) is quite hard to come by. All the world talks about the instruction class - threkchö and thögal - but the mind class is seems forgotten. Due to some remarks here and there I even suspect that in the Nyingmapa tradition as a whole there is not so much left in active practice.
To make it short: If there is some good presentations of the mind class path out there could you please give me some hint where to look for?

Thanks so much in advance!
Sagara
Have a look at Supreme Source
Ornament of the state of Samantabadra - a commentary on the above text
Two dzogxhen texts by Jim Valby
Marvellous primordial state
Teachings on Semde by sodogpa
The four contemplations of semde
Dorje Sempa Namkha che
Does one need specific lung to read Dorje Sempa, or is DI enough?
You can read the text just with the DI but is perfect if you can get the reading lung. In an ideal world you would get lungs for all these texts. But is not so easy.
The nature of diverse phenomena is non-dual. This means that both pure vision and impure vision are a manifestation of the energy of the primordial state. Even though in reality there is no duality, everything manifests separately. KG

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Re: Looking for Dzogchen Semde material

Post by XXIlluminatingVoid72 » Tue Mar 13, 2018 2:45 pm

This came out recently as well.
https://www.namsebangdzo.com/Nature_of_ ... 394499.htm\
It's on amazon too. I believe this would qualify as Semde

If you're in the DC there is this as well https://www.ssi-austria.at/shop/product ... re=english

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Re: Looking for Dzogchen Semde material

Post by Lukeinaz » Wed Apr 11, 2018 6:14 pm

Dowman's text Original purity looks interesting, anybody check it out?
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Re: Looking for Dzogchen Semde material

Post by chimechodra » Wed Apr 11, 2018 6:22 pm

According to Chogyal Namkhai Norbu Rinpoche, this is actually a semde text also: You are the Eyes of the World. The title is strange, however.

https://www.amazon.com/You-Are-Eyes-Wor ... 155939367X


I have never read it.

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Post by Lukeinaz » Wed Apr 11, 2018 7:13 pm

chimechodra wrote:
Wed Apr 11, 2018 6:22 pm
According to Chogyal Namkhai Norbu Rinpoche, this is actually a semde text also: You are the Eyes of the World. The title is strange, however.

https://www.amazon.com/You-Are-Eyes-Wor ... 155939367X


I have never read it.

this is really good too:

https://shop.shangshunguk.org/product/o ... ious-ship/
You are truly astonishing--going to look for yourself when you already are yourself! --Longchen Rabjam

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Post by heart » Wed Apr 11, 2018 7:30 pm

Lukeinaz wrote:
Wed Apr 11, 2018 7:13 pm
chimechodra wrote:
Wed Apr 11, 2018 6:22 pm
According to Chogyal Namkhai Norbu Rinpoche, this is actually a semde text also: You are the Eyes of the World. The title is strange, however.

https://www.amazon.com/You-Are-Eyes-Wor ... 155939367X


I have never read it.

this is really good too:

https://shop.shangshunguk.org/product/o ... ious-ship/
This is a commentary to "You Are Eyes World". The Tibetan title of "You Are Eyes World" is actually "Precious Ship", and yes it is a Semde text.

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Re: Looking for Dzogchen Semde material

Post by Virgo » Thu Apr 12, 2018 1:00 am

Dharmasagara wrote:
Fri Mar 02, 2018 3:14 pm
A question to all in the know:

In my quest for getting some idea about the system(s) of Dzogchen presentation I am finding out that knowledge on mind class (semde, sems lde) is quite hard to come by. All the world talks about the instruction class - threkchö and thögal - but the mind class is seems forgotten. Due to some remarks here and there I even suspect that in the Nyingmapa tradition as a whole there is not so much left in active practice.
To make it short: If there is some good presentations of the mind class path out there could you please give me some hint where to look for?

Thanks so much in advance!
Sagara
There is also the Fivefold Teaching of Dawa Gyaltsen taught by Tenzin Wangyal Rinpoche.

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Post by amanitamusc » Thu Apr 12, 2018 1:26 am

florin wrote:
Wed Mar 07, 2018 2:01 am
Lukeinaz wrote:
Wed Mar 07, 2018 1:23 am
florin wrote:
Fri Mar 02, 2018 7:54 pm


Have a look at Supreme Source
Ornament of the state of Samantabadra - a commentary on the above text
Two dzogxhen texts by Jim Valby
Marvellous primordial state
Teachings on Semde by sodogpa
The four contemplations of semde
Dorje Sempa Namkha che
Does one need specific lung to read Dorje Sempa, or is DI enough?
You can read the text just with the DI but is perfect if you can get the reading lung. In an ideal world you would get lungs for all these texts. But is not so easy.
ChNNR gave a 10 day retreat in 2006 on Dorje Sempa Namkha che.

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Re: Looking for Dzogchen Semde material

Post by climb-up » Thu Apr 12, 2018 5:35 pm

Virgo wrote:
Thu Apr 12, 2018 1:00 am
Dharmasagara wrote:
Fri Mar 02, 2018 3:14 pm
A question to all in the know:

In my quest for getting some idea about the system(s) of Dzogchen presentation I am finding out that knowledge on mind class (semde, sems lde) is quite hard to come by. All the world talks about the instruction class - threkchö and thögal - but the mind class is seems forgotten. Due to some remarks here and there I even suspect that in the Nyingmapa tradition as a whole there is not so much left in active practice.
To make it short: If there is some good presentations of the mind class path out there could you please give me some hint where to look for?

Thanks so much in advance!
Sagara
There is also the Fivefold Teaching of Dawa Gyaltsen taught by Tenzin Wangyal Rinpoche.

Kevin
Is that a semde teaching?
That is one of my favorite teachings for day-to-day contemplation. "Awakening the Luminous Mind" goes into it in depth and has an audio guided meditation that comes with it.

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Re: Looking for Dzogchen Semde material

Post by Virgo » Sat Apr 14, 2018 12:06 am

climb-up wrote:
Thu Apr 12, 2018 5:35 pm
Virgo wrote:
Thu Apr 12, 2018 1:00 am
Is that a semde teaching?
That is one of my favorite teachings for day-to-day contemplation. "Awakening the Luminous Mind" goes into it in depth and has an audio guided meditation that comes with it.
Hi, I am not sure if they classify that way in Bon, but I think it could be considered semde.

Kevin
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གདེང་གྲོལ་ཐོག་ཏུ་བཅའ། །


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