Does poti wang accomplish the same as lung?

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Does poti wang accomplish the same as lung?

Post by Pema Rigdzin » Fri May 25, 2018 8:28 am

To be more specific, some time ago I received some Düdjom Tersar empowerments, but either I didn’t know enough back then to recognize the lung being given as well, or maybe it wasn’t? Years later I received the Düdjom Tersar poti wang, so I’m wondering if this is equivalent functionally to receiving the reading transmissions for the Tersar empowerments I received. IOW, will the poti wang make the mantras function for me just like the lung would have?

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Re: Does poti wang accomplish the same as lung?

Post by lelopa » Sat May 26, 2018 5:30 am

Pema Rigdzin wrote:
Fri May 25, 2018 8:28 am
To be more specific, some time ago I received some Düdjom Tersar empowerments, but either I didn’t know enough back then to recognize the lung being given as well, or maybe it wasn’t? Years later I received the Düdjom Tersar poti wang, so I’m wondering if this is equivalent functionally to receiving the reading transmissions for the Tersar empowerments I received. IOW, will the poti wang make the mantras function for me just like the lung would have?
What is a poti wang?!?
ཨོཾ་ཨཱཿཧཱུྃ་བོ་དྷི་ཙིཏྟ་མ་ཧཱ་སུ་ཁ་ཛྙཱ་ན་དྷཱརྟུ་ཨཱཿ

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Re: Does poti wang accomplish the same as lung?

Post by Thomas Amundsen » Sat May 26, 2018 8:18 am

lelopa wrote:
Sat May 26, 2018 5:30 am
Pema Rigdzin wrote:
Fri May 25, 2018 8:28 am
To be more specific, some time ago I received some Düdjom Tersar empowerments, but either I didn’t know enough back then to recognize the lung being given as well, or maybe it wasn’t? Years later I received the Düdjom Tersar poti wang, so I’m wondering if this is equivalent functionally to receiving the reading transmissions for the Tersar empowerments I received. IOW, will the poti wang make the mantras function for me just like the lung would have?
What is a poti wang?!?
When a lama bumps a text on your head, or there is a table full of tons of texts and you bump your head against it. It's basically a book empowerment.

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Re: Does poti wang accomplish the same as lung?

Post by Palzang Jangchub » Sat May 26, 2018 9:03 am

The terms po ti (པོ་ཏི་) and dpe cha (དཔེ་ཆ་) are basically synonymous (both meaning "book, text"). So wouldn't po ti dbang (པོ་ཏི་དབང་) be the same as pe'i dbang (དཔེའི་དབང་)?

I'd love to hear from someone about the tantric theory these are based on, and if there are any distinctions between the two. What are the features of these, and in what contexts are they usually given?

For instance, is such a silent text empowerment given when a public reading transmission is not suitable for all those in attendance? Is it bestowed this way when permission to practice the sadhana has only been requested by a few and not by the whole assembly, prompting the lama to only grant it to those serious enough to ask?

There's obviously something at work here. Surely it's not just a case of the vajra master being outta breath ;)

See:
http://rywiki.tsadra.org/index.php/po_ti
http://rywiki.tsadra.org/index.php/dpe_cha
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Re: Does poti wang accomplish the same as lung?

Post by heart » Sat May 26, 2018 9:09 am

Pema Rigdzin wrote:
Fri May 25, 2018 8:28 am
To be more specific, some time ago I received some Düdjom Tersar empowerments, but either I didn’t know enough back then to recognize the lung being given as well, or maybe it wasn’t? Years later I received the Düdjom Tersar poti wang, so I’m wondering if this is equivalent functionally to receiving the reading transmissions for the Tersar empowerments I received. IOW, will the poti wang make the mantras function for me just like the lung would have?
According to Chökyi Nyima Rinpoche; "poti wang" gives you the same transmission as "lung" but you can't pass it on to someone else.

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Re: Does poti wang accomplish the same as lung?

Post by lelopa » Sat May 26, 2018 1:45 pm

:thanks: :thanks: :thanks:
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Re: Does poti wang accomplish the same as lung?

Post by Pema Rigdzin » Sun May 27, 2018 4:26 am

heart wrote:
Sat May 26, 2018 9:09 am
Pema Rigdzin wrote:
Fri May 25, 2018 8:28 am
To be more specific, some time ago I received some Düdjom Tersar empowerments, but either I didn’t know enough back then to recognize the lung being given as well, or maybe it wasn’t? Years later I received the Düdjom Tersar poti wang, so I’m wondering if this is equivalent functionally to receiving the reading transmissions for the Tersar empowerments I received. IOW, will the poti wang make the mantras function for me just like the lung would have?
According to Chökyi Nyima Rinpoche; "poti wang" gives you the same transmission as "lung" but you can't pass it on to someone else.

/magnus
Thanks, Magnus!

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