Is it unhelpful to start practicing dhyana if i'm already involved with tantra?

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Is it unhelpful to start practicing dhyana if i'm already involved with tantra?

Post by SonamGyatso » Wed Sep 12, 2018 11:50 pm

When I am able to still my mind with single-pointed attention, I feel fantastic. I don't much doubt that practicing this way helps develop the faculties needed for attainment.

I still don't really get much of what I'm doing with tantra. My mind continues to adapt to the Dharma through doing this practice, but I don't know why.

I want to keep doing what my Lama instructs me to do, but also I want to do dhyana as described in the tipitaka. I am okay with doing them both

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Re: Is it unhelpful to start practicing dhyana if i'm already involved with tantra?

Post by Motova » Thu Sep 13, 2018 12:56 am

Connect them with metta and the four immeasurables.
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Re: Is it unhelpful to start practicing dhyana if i'm already involved with tantra?

Post by Grigoris » Thu Sep 13, 2018 7:45 am

SonamGyatso wrote:
Wed Sep 12, 2018 11:50 pm
I am okay with doing them both.
You should be. They are complementary, not mutually exclusive.
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Re: Is it unhelpful to start practicing dhyana if i'm already involved with tantra?

Post by fckw » Thu Sep 13, 2018 5:52 pm

Every tantric practice requires some - at least basic - familiarity with dhyana, some of them require even rather deep levels of concentration. Guru yoga in itself is a form of concentration practice, although it's more dynamic and not as static than single-pointed focus on one point. In fact, doing a little bit of concentration meditation before you start doing any tantric meditation is a pretty good thing as it anchors and calms the mind and makes subsequent meditation much more easy.

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Re: Is it unhelpful to start practicing dhyana if i'm already involved with tantra?

Post by Miroku » Thu Sep 13, 2018 7:01 pm

Go for it. As already mentioned it can only help. I for example am thinking about meditating together with local zennies, because due to their skill in meditation they are more prepared for tantra than most "tantric" practitioners I know. :D
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Re: Is it unhelpful to start practicing dhyana if i'm already involved with tantra?

Post by TrimePema » Sat Sep 15, 2018 4:23 am

I think it's really great that you noticed that you should develop more concentration and mindfulness and I think only good things will come. I like what was said earlier about connecting metta and 4 immeasurables. IMO, generating bodhichitta will increase the effectiveness of your practices, no matter what tradition or scope they initially come from or "require".

In other words, and to answer your question, DEFINITELY HELPFUL (and even more so if you generate bodhichitta before practicing).

Enjoy!

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