empowerment for Dudjom Tersar Ngondro

User avatar
Johnny Dangerous
Global Moderator
Posts: 9348
Joined: Fri Nov 02, 2012 10:58 pm
Location: Olympia WA
Contact:

empowerment for Dudjom Tersar Ngondro

Post by Johnny Dangerous » Tue Nov 06, 2018 5:18 am

Is one needed, or just a lung?
There's no hoarding what has vanished,
No piling up for the future;
Those who have been born are standing
Like a seed upon a needle.

-Guhatthaka-suttaniddeso

Pema Yolo
Posts: 43
Joined: Sun May 17, 2015 5:32 am

Re: empowerment for Dudjom Tersar Ngondro

Post by Pema Yolo » Tue Nov 06, 2018 8:18 am

Just a lung is what is typically given by every Dudjom lama I've seen.

User avatar
Grigoris
Site Admin
Posts: 19885
Joined: Fri May 14, 2010 9:27 pm
Location: Greece

Re: empowerment for Dudjom Tersar Ngondro

Post by Grigoris » Tue Nov 06, 2018 9:14 am

A Vajrasattva empowerment wouldn't go astray.
"My religion is not deceiving myself."
Jetsun Milarepa 1052-1135 CE

"Butchers, prostitutes, those guilty of the five most heinous crimes, outcasts, the underprivileged: all are utterly the substance of existence and nothing other than total bliss."
The Supreme Source - The Kunjed Gyalpo
The Fundamental Tantra of Dzogchen Semde

User avatar
SonamGyatso
Posts: 15
Joined: Sun Aug 05, 2018 11:10 pm

Re: empowerment for Dudjom Tersar Ngondro

Post by SonamGyatso » Thu Nov 08, 2018 9:37 am

My Lama has said that no empowerment is needed for the Ngondro we practice, which is the Dudjom Tersar Ngondro

Malcolm
Posts: 29105
Joined: Thu Nov 11, 2010 2:19 am

Re: empowerment for Dudjom Tersar Ngondro

Post by Malcolm » Thu Nov 08, 2018 3:06 pm

Johnny Dangerous wrote:
Tue Nov 06, 2018 5:18 am
Is one needed, or just a lung?
Just a lung.

User avatar
Johnny Dangerous
Global Moderator
Posts: 9348
Joined: Fri Nov 02, 2012 10:58 pm
Location: Olympia WA
Contact:

Re: empowerment for Dudjom Tersar Ngondro

Post by Johnny Dangerous » Sun Dec 09, 2018 8:08 pm

SonamGyatso wrote:
Thu Nov 08, 2018 9:37 am
My Lama has said that no empowerment is needed for the Ngondro we practice, which is the Dudjom Tersar Ngondro
When I asked at Saraha, a few people said I could practice it with no anything. But then others say one needs the lung. I suspect it was one of those "get it when you can but you can practice without it if you can't" type things...but I would rather just have the lung.

I had an opportunity to get it online recently, but had to work, anyone know of any other opportunities coming up to receive it?
There's no hoarding what has vanished,
No piling up for the future;
Those who have been born are standing
Like a seed upon a needle.

-Guhatthaka-suttaniddeso

Sennin
Posts: 864
Joined: Wed Aug 15, 2012 1:19 am

Re: empowerment for Dudjom Tersar Ngondro

Post by Sennin » Sun Dec 09, 2018 10:13 pm

Johnny Dangerous wrote:
Sun Dec 09, 2018 8:08 pm
SonamGyatso wrote:
Thu Nov 08, 2018 9:37 am
My Lama has said that no empowerment is needed for the Ngondro we practice, which is the Dudjom Tersar Ngondro
When I asked at Saraha, a few people said I could practice it with no anything. But then others say one needs the lung. I suspect it was one of those "get it when you can but you can practice without it if you can't" type things...but I would rather just have the lung.

I had an opportunity to get it online recently, but had to work, anyone know of any other opportunities coming up to receive it?
IIRC they're offering it again online, unless it has already happened.
"One should always recite mantra, purifying the body."
--Cakrasaṃvara Tantra

Terma
Posts: 253
Joined: Mon Oct 17, 2011 11:07 am

Re: empowerment for Dudjom Tersar Ngondro

Post by Terma » Sun Dec 09, 2018 10:18 pm

Johnny Dangerous wrote:
Sun Dec 09, 2018 8:08 pm
SonamGyatso wrote:
Thu Nov 08, 2018 9:37 am
My Lama has said that no empowerment is needed for the Ngondro we practice, which is the Dudjom Tersar Ngondro
When I asked at Saraha, a few people said I could practice it with no anything. But then others say one needs the lung. I suspect it was one of those "get it when you can but you can practice without it if you can't" type things...but I would rather just have the lung.

I had an opportunity to get it online recently, but had to work, anyone know of any other opportunities coming up to receive it?
Do you live close enough to a Lama that practices in this particular lineage or are you able to make contact with one in order to request the lung? I would imagine that it shouldn't be too difficult to get this lung. Good luck!

User avatar
Johnny Dangerous
Global Moderator
Posts: 9348
Joined: Fri Nov 02, 2012 10:58 pm
Location: Olympia WA
Contact:

Re: empowerment for Dudjom Tersar Ngondro

Post by Johnny Dangerous » Mon Dec 10, 2018 2:33 am

Terma wrote:
Sun Dec 09, 2018 10:18 pm
Johnny Dangerous wrote:
Sun Dec 09, 2018 8:08 pm
SonamGyatso wrote:
Thu Nov 08, 2018 9:37 am
My Lama has said that no empowerment is needed for the Ngondro we practice, which is the Dudjom Tersar Ngondro
When I asked at Saraha, a few people said I could practice it with no anything. But then others say one needs the lung. I suspect it was one of those "get it when you can but you can practice without it if you can't" type things...but I would rather just have the lung.

I had an opportunity to get it online recently, but had to work, anyone know of any other opportunities coming up to receive it?
Do you live close enough to a Lama that practices in this particular lineage or are you able to make contact with one in order to request the lung? I would imagine that it shouldn't be too difficult to get this lung. Good luck!

I make it to Saraha periodically, but I am not sure if it is given out there often, I don't think there's anyone near me who would give it. Seems like my best best is the Dudjom Tersar site, it does seem that Lama Sonam gives it our periodically.
There's no hoarding what has vanished,
No piling up for the future;
Those who have been born are standing
Like a seed upon a needle.

-Guhatthaka-suttaniddeso

User avatar
heart
Posts: 4621
Joined: Fri Jan 08, 2010 1:55 pm

Re: empowerment for Dudjom Tersar Ngondro

Post by heart » Mon Dec 10, 2018 5:50 am

Johnny Dangerous wrote:
Mon Dec 10, 2018 2:33 am
Terma wrote:
Sun Dec 09, 2018 10:18 pm
Johnny Dangerous wrote:
Sun Dec 09, 2018 8:08 pm


When I asked at Saraha, a few people said I could practice it with no anything. But then others say one needs the lung. I suspect it was one of those "get it when you can but you can practice without it if you can't" type things...but I would rather just have the lung.

I had an opportunity to get it online recently, but had to work, anyone know of any other opportunities coming up to receive it?
Do you live close enough to a Lama that practices in this particular lineage or are you able to make contact with one in order to request the lung? I would imagine that it shouldn't be too difficult to get this lung. Good luck!

I make it to Saraha periodically, but I am not sure if it is given out there often, I don't think there's anyone near me who would give it. Seems like my best best is the Dudjom Tersar site, it does seem that Lama Sonam gives it our periodically.
The best way is to request the lung yourself with a kata and an offering. Makes it auspicious.

/magnus
"We are all here to help each other go through this thing, whatever it is."
~Kurt Vonnegut

"The principal practice is Guruyoga. But we need to understand that any secondary practice combined with Guruyoga becomes a principal practice." ChNNR (Teachings on Thun and Ganapuja)

User avatar
Grigoris
Site Admin
Posts: 19885
Joined: Fri May 14, 2010 9:27 pm
Location: Greece

Re: empowerment for Dudjom Tersar Ngondro

Post by Grigoris » Mon Dec 10, 2018 9:25 am

Johnny Dangerous wrote:
Mon Dec 10, 2018 2:33 am
I make it to Saraha periodically, but I am not sure if it is given out there often, I don't think there's anyone near me who would give it. Seems like my best best is the Dudjom Tersar site, it does seem that Lama Sonam gives it our periodically.
If you request the lung for the concise version, it will take the lama about 2 minutes.
"My religion is not deceiving myself."
Jetsun Milarepa 1052-1135 CE

"Butchers, prostitutes, those guilty of the five most heinous crimes, outcasts, the underprivileged: all are utterly the substance of existence and nothing other than total bliss."
The Supreme Source - The Kunjed Gyalpo
The Fundamental Tantra of Dzogchen Semde

User avatar
treehuggingoctopus
Posts: 1792
Joined: Sun Jun 05, 2011 6:26 pm
Location: Mudhole? Slimy? My home, this is.

Re: empowerment for Dudjom Tersar Ngondro

Post by treehuggingoctopus » Mon Dec 10, 2018 10:40 am

Johnny Dangerous wrote:
Mon Dec 10, 2018 2:33 am
Terma wrote:
Sun Dec 09, 2018 10:18 pm
Johnny Dangerous wrote:
Sun Dec 09, 2018 8:08 pm


When I asked at Saraha, a few people said I could practice it with no anything. But then others say one needs the lung. I suspect it was one of those "get it when you can but you can practice without it if you can't" type things...but I would rather just have the lung.

I had an opportunity to get it online recently, but had to work, anyone know of any other opportunities coming up to receive it?
Do you live close enough to a Lama that practices in this particular lineage or are you able to make contact with one in order to request the lung? I would imagine that it shouldn't be too difficult to get this lung. Good luck!

I make it to Saraha periodically, but I am not sure if it is given out there often, I don't think there's anyone near me who would give it. Seems like my best best is the Dudjom Tersar site, it does seem that Lama Sonam gives it our periodically.
Maybe they could give it to you over the phone? As Greg says, it is but a minute or two.
. . . there they saw a rock! But it wasn't a rock . . .

User avatar
Grigoris
Site Admin
Posts: 19885
Joined: Fri May 14, 2010 9:27 pm
Location: Greece

Re: empowerment for Dudjom Tersar Ngondro

Post by Grigoris » Tue Dec 11, 2018 7:52 pm

Off topic discussion moved here.
"My religion is not deceiving myself."
Jetsun Milarepa 1052-1135 CE

"Butchers, prostitutes, those guilty of the five most heinous crimes, outcasts, the underprivileged: all are utterly the substance of existence and nothing other than total bliss."
The Supreme Source - The Kunjed Gyalpo
The Fundamental Tantra of Dzogchen Semde

User avatar
Adamantine
Former staff member
Posts: 3920
Joined: Tue Feb 08, 2011 7:09 am
Location: Space is the Place

Re: empowerment for Dudjom Tersar Ngondro

Post by Adamantine » Wed Dec 12, 2018 8:23 pm

Hi Johnny D, I’d also look into Tashi Choling in Ashland OR
or Dorje Ling in Portland. They are both Dudjom tersar centers also. If you could receive the lung from Sangye Khandro, that would be fortunate... there would likely be other Lamas in residence or visiting from time to time. Worth contacting them.. I think Tashi Choling is shut down now for the winter season though. In general, if possible I tend to prefer lungs in person—and as was mentioned—with the temdrel of making an offering with katak, etc. per custom.
Contentment is the ultimate wealth;
Detachment is the final happiness. ~Sri Saraha

pemachophel
Posts: 1410
Joined: Sat Dec 25, 2010 9:19 pm
Location: Lafayette, CO

Re: empowerment for Dudjom Tersar Ngondro

Post by pemachophel » Wed Dec 12, 2018 8:33 pm

The short Dudjom Tersar ngon-dro is wonderful. Kyabje Dudjom Rinpoche was Guru Rinpoche's regent in this time. (some say Guru Rinpoche Himself.) There have been many great Lamas in the last 100 years, but Dudjom Rinpoche is most definitely one of the very greatest. So if you have any inclination of doing this ngon-dro, I highly encourage you to do it. My wife did it when she was 68-69. So never too late.

I would also second the opinion of getting it in person as opposed to over the phone. If you had to get it over the phone, at least make a promise to yourself to get it in person when you get chance.
Pema Chophel པདྨ་ཆོས་འཕེལ

Malcolm
Posts: 29105
Joined: Thu Nov 11, 2010 2:19 am

Re: empowerment for Dudjom Tersar Ngondro

Post by Malcolm » Thu Dec 13, 2018 12:46 am

pemachophel wrote:
Wed Dec 12, 2018 8:33 pm
The short Dudjom Tersar ngon-dro is wonderful. Kyabje Dudjom Rinpoche was Guru Rinpoche's regent in this time. (some say Guru Rinpoche Himself.) There have been many great Lamas in the last 100 years, but Dudjom Rinpoche is most definitely one of the very greatest. So if you have any inclination of doing this ngon-dro, I highly encourage you to do it. My wife did it when she was 68-69. So never too late.

I would also second the opinion of getting it in person as opposed to over the phone. If you had to get it over the phone, at least make a promise to yourself to get it in person when you get chance.
The short ngondro actually is from the Troma cycle of Dudjom Lingpa.

Seeker12
Posts: 259
Joined: Mon May 08, 2017 5:54 pm

Re: empowerment for Dudjom Tersar Ngondro

Post by Seeker12 » Thu Dec 13, 2018 3:47 am

pemachophel wrote:
Wed Dec 12, 2018 8:33 pm
The short Dudjom Tersar ngon-dro is wonderful. Kyabje Dudjom Rinpoche was Guru Rinpoche's regent in this time. (some say Guru Rinpoche Himself.) There have been many great Lamas in the last 100 years, but Dudjom Rinpoche is most definitely one of the very greatest. So if you have any inclination of doing this ngon-dro, I highly encourage you to do it. My wife did it when she was 68-69. So never too late.

I would also second the opinion of getting it in person as opposed to over the phone. If you had to get it over the phone, at least make a promise to yourself to get it in person when you get chance.
How do you know who the ‘regent’ is/was?
Therein is nothing to remove
And thereto not the slightest thing to add.
The perfect truth viewed perfectly
And perfectly beheld is liberation.

Uttaratantra Shastra

TrimePema
Posts: 189
Joined: Fri Jan 03, 2014 1:16 am

Re: empowerment for Dudjom Tersar Ngondro

Post by TrimePema » Thu Dec 13, 2018 4:28 am

Seeker12 wrote:
Thu Dec 13, 2018 3:47 am
pemachophel wrote:
Wed Dec 12, 2018 8:33 pm
The short Dudjom Tersar ngon-dro is wonderful. Kyabje Dudjom Rinpoche was Guru Rinpoche's regent in this time. (some say Guru Rinpoche Himself.) There have been many great Lamas in the last 100 years, but Dudjom Rinpoche is most definitely one of the very greatest. So if you have any inclination of doing this ngon-dro, I highly encourage you to do it. My wife did it when she was 68-69. So never too late.

I would also second the opinion of getting it in person as opposed to over the phone. If you had to get it over the phone, at least make a promise to yourself to get it in person when you get chance.
How do you know who the ‘regent’ is/was?
say the 7 lines with devotion and see what happens

User avatar
Grigoris
Site Admin
Posts: 19885
Joined: Fri May 14, 2010 9:27 pm
Location: Greece

Re: empowerment for Dudjom Tersar Ngondro

Post by Grigoris » Thu Dec 13, 2018 9:16 am

TrimePema wrote:
Thu Dec 13, 2018 4:28 am
say the 7 lines with devotion and see what happens
100,000 times will do the trick!
"My religion is not deceiving myself."
Jetsun Milarepa 1052-1135 CE

"Butchers, prostitutes, those guilty of the five most heinous crimes, outcasts, the underprivileged: all are utterly the substance of existence and nothing other than total bliss."
The Supreme Source - The Kunjed Gyalpo
The Fundamental Tantra of Dzogchen Semde

Seeker12
Posts: 259
Joined: Mon May 08, 2017 5:54 pm

Re: empowerment for Dudjom Tersar Ngondro

Post by Seeker12 » Thu Dec 13, 2018 3:54 pm

TrimePema wrote:
Thu Dec 13, 2018 4:28 am
Seeker12 wrote:
Thu Dec 13, 2018 3:47 am
pemachophel wrote:
Wed Dec 12, 2018 8:33 pm
The short Dudjom Tersar ngon-dro is wonderful. Kyabje Dudjom Rinpoche was Guru Rinpoche's regent in this time. (some say Guru Rinpoche Himself.) There have been many great Lamas in the last 100 years, but Dudjom Rinpoche is most definitely one of the very greatest. So if you have any inclination of doing this ngon-dro, I highly encourage you to do it. My wife did it when she was 68-69. So never too late.

I would also second the opinion of getting it in person as opposed to over the phone. If you had to get it over the phone, at least make a promise to yourself to get it in person when you get chance.
How do you know who the ‘regent’ is/was?
say the 7 lines with devotion and see what happens
Thanks, I was wondering if this was something that was due to personal insight or whether it was some sort of 'formally acknowledged' thing by an 'authority'.
Therein is nothing to remove
And thereto not the slightest thing to add.
The perfect truth viewed perfectly
And perfectly beheld is liberation.

Uttaratantra Shastra

Post Reply

Return to “Nyingma”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 13 guests