Physiological symptoms as a fruition of practice?

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Physiological symptoms as a fruition of practice?

Post by SonamGyatso » Fri Feb 28, 2020 3:43 am

Hey, DW

I was wondering if it was common for physiological symptoms to occur from Vajrayana practices.
I have been experiencing some curious things, but nothing alarming. The medical specialists I visit tell me I'm healthy and have no positive results on tests.
symptoms vary, and usually, they come and go in a matter of 1 day or less.

Details about why this might happen would be appreciated.

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Post by florin » Fri Feb 28, 2020 1:59 pm

SonamGyatso wrote:
Fri Feb 28, 2020 3:43 am
Hey, DW

I was wondering if it was common for physiological symptoms to occur from Vajrayana practices.
I have been experiencing some curious things, but nothing alarming. The medical specialists I visit tell me I'm healthy and have no positive results on tests.
symptoms vary, and usually, they come and go in a matter of 1 day or less.

Details about why this might happen would be appreciated.
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Post by Simon E. » Fri Feb 28, 2020 3:38 pm

SonamGyatso wrote:
Fri Feb 28, 2020 3:43 am
Hey, DW

I was wondering if it was common for physiological symptoms to occur from Vajrayana practices.
I have been experiencing some curious things, but nothing alarming. The medical specialists I visit tell me I'm healthy and have no positive results on tests.
symptoms vary, and usually, they come and go in a matter of 1 day or less.

Details about why this might happen would be appreciated.
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Post by PadmaVonSamba » Fri Feb 28, 2020 5:20 pm

While not specifically about vajrayana practice, A few months ago I took a weekend hospital stay as an opportunity to practice long periods of samatha (sitting meditation). Apparently, in a very relaxed state, my heart rate occasionally dropped low enough to set off some kind of alarm at the nurse station and they kept rushing in to see if I had fainted or was lying on the floor or whatever, and were surprised to find me happily sitting up in my hospital bed, and quite alert. So, physiological effects can certainly occur.

I don’t think you’ll get too many detailed suggestions as to why your experiences are occurring, as you didn’t really give much detail regarding what the experiences were!
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Post by SonamGyatso » Fri Feb 28, 2020 5:30 pm

I know Johnny and Queequeg are going to groan, but......Ask your teacher. Seriously.
that's fair to say. usually, my teacher tends not to get too specific about details, but maybe that's best anyway
PadmaVonSamba wrote:
Fri Feb 28, 2020 5:20 pm
I don’t think you’ll get too many detailed suggestions as to why your experiences are occurring, as you didn’t really give much detail regarding what the experiences were!
that's also fair. I didn't want to detail every tiny detail, you know? :shrug:

oh well, i suppose it's unreasonable to consider one can know the cause of every physiological symptom anyway
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Post by Malcolm » Fri Feb 28, 2020 6:58 pm

SonamGyatso wrote:
Fri Feb 28, 2020 3:43 am
Hey, DW

I was wondering if it was common for physiological symptoms to occur from Vajrayana practices.
I have been experiencing some curious things, but nothing alarming. The medical specialists I visit tell me I'm healthy and have no positive results on tests.
symptoms vary, and usually, they come and go in a matter of 1 day or less.

Details about why this might happen would be appreciated.
What symptoms?

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Post by SonamGyatso » Fri Feb 28, 2020 7:27 pm

What symptoms?
if i may only name a few which come to mind,
yesterday, i became dizzy very quickly -- as if i were mildly drunk -- and there was a visual warping as if i were more aware of space in the room. this lasted for some 8 hours with no other apparent symptoms

something like 18 months ago, i had a sharp pain in my throat that would strike on occasion. sometimes i'd get a similar striking pain in my left arm.

shortly after joining up with my lama, and for about 2 years, i had this runny, stuffy nose, but has cleared up recently
-- i recall this one getting so stuffy i couldn't clear it during a puja, then after puja, i said something to lama and it drained quickly. no symptoms of this after that occurrence

then another when i was a child, i had sharp, excruciating pains in my chest which i missed school for. this had lasted a few years and i sincerely thought i was going to die. mom took me to a cardiologist, and no signs of anything going on.

as an adult, i was told by my medical overseers that simply, "bodies are weird and maybe you've just got sensitive nerves"

i still feel this knot in my throat, and a subtle pressure in my heat, but my heart feels quite light and doesn't hurt so much anymore

My blood pressure, heart rate, and weight are all healthy and in average range; i am 27 (male) this year
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Post by Könchok Thrinley » Fri Feb 28, 2020 7:37 pm

It really depends. When doing tummo for example then there is a physical manifestation as a part of the fruition.

However, as others suggested this might be best consulted with professional or being more detailed with the information you provide.
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Post by Ayu » Fri Feb 28, 2020 9:41 pm

Mental appearances can manifest physically any time. It's called psychosomatics.
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Post by Malcolm » Fri Feb 28, 2020 9:43 pm

Könchok Thrinley wrote:
Fri Feb 28, 2020 7:37 pm
It really depends. When doing tummo for example then there is a physical manifestation as a part of the fruition.
Yes, if you are a man, your penis withdraws into a sheath, or otherwise becomes very short.

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Post by SonamGyatso » Fri Feb 28, 2020 11:10 pm

if i may only name a few which come to mind,
i probably went a little overboard there :emb:

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Post by rai » Sat Feb 29, 2020 7:12 am

Malcolm wrote:
Fri Feb 28, 2020 9:43 pm
Könchok Thrinley wrote:
Fri Feb 28, 2020 7:37 pm
It really depends. When doing tummo for example then there is a physical manifestation as a part of the fruition.
Yes, if you are a man, your penis withdraws into a sheath, or otherwise becomes very short.
hope you are joking

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Post by tingdzin » Sat Feb 29, 2020 9:20 am

Malcolm wrote:
Fri Feb 28, 2020 9:43 pm
Yes, if you are a man, your penis withdraws into a sheath, or otherwise becomes very short.
What a straight line, but I'll ignore it.

All the books say that all kinds of psychological and somatic experiences can arise. Don't take them as badges of merit or of symptoms of imminent destruction (unless they persist). Everybody has a different set of constituents, so there are no rules.

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Re: Physiological symptoms as a fruition of practice?

Post by SonamGyatso » Sat Feb 29, 2020 9:40 am

i do think i got over-excited about nothing :crazy:

my bad, dw, please excuse me

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Re: Physiological symptoms as a fruition of practice?

Post by Malcolm » Sat Feb 29, 2020 2:16 pm

rai wrote:
Sat Feb 29, 2020 7:12 am
Malcolm wrote:
Fri Feb 28, 2020 9:43 pm
Könchok Thrinley wrote:
Fri Feb 28, 2020 7:37 pm
It really depends. When doing tummo for example then there is a physical manifestation as a part of the fruition.
Yes, if you are a man, your penis withdraws into a sheath, or otherwise becomes very short.
hope you are joking

Nope. I am absolutely serious, actually.

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Post by Malcolm » Sat Feb 29, 2020 2:17 pm

tingdzin wrote:
Sat Feb 29, 2020 9:20 am
Malcolm wrote:
Fri Feb 28, 2020 9:43 pm
Yes, if you are a man, your penis withdraws into a sheath, or otherwise becomes very short.
What a straight line, but I'll ignore it.

All the books say that all kinds of psychological and somatic experiences can arise. Don't take them as badges of merit or of symptoms of imminent destruction (unless they persist). Everybody has a different set of constituents, so there are no rules.
It wasn’t a straight line. I wasn’t kidding.

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Post by Pero » Sat Feb 29, 2020 5:46 pm

Today I learned there's a difference between straightline and straight line. Learned of the former first and was shocked that Tingdzin would say that and then learned of the second one which made more sense.
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Re: Physiological symptoms as a fruition of practice?

Post by Pero » Sat Feb 29, 2020 5:48 pm

Malcolm wrote:
Sat Feb 29, 2020 2:16 pm
Nope. I am absolutely serious, actually.
Can it come back out?
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Re: Physiological symptoms as a fruition of practice?

Post by Malcolm » Sat Feb 29, 2020 6:19 pm

Pero wrote:
Sat Feb 29, 2020 5:48 pm
Malcolm wrote:
Sat Feb 29, 2020 2:16 pm
Nope. I am absolutely serious, actually.
Can it come back out?
Sure, when it needs to.

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Post by Könchok Thrinley » Sat Feb 29, 2020 6:31 pm

Malcolm wrote:
Sat Feb 29, 2020 6:19 pm
Pero wrote:
Sat Feb 29, 2020 5:48 pm
Malcolm wrote:
Sat Feb 29, 2020 2:16 pm
Nope. I am absolutely serious, actually.
Can it come back out?
Sure, when it needs to.
That is quite interesting, so basically the practice causes the body to respond in that area as it would in case of cold and other shrinkage causing situations?
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