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Smoking tobacco

Posted: Wed May 04, 2011 4:19 pm
by rai
Hi all,

What is Tibetan Buddhism approach towards smoking tobacco. Please write whatever you've heard or read. I am struggling with casual smoking and need some good motivation to give up completely. I've read HH Dudjom Rinpoche' teachings on smoking tobacco but 1) I saw it on Aro website and i am not sure is it authentic or not and 2) the description of the plant are more like a Opium not tobacco, maybe someone read it in Tibetan and could confirm.

Thanks,

Rai

Re: Smoking tobacco

Posted: Wed May 04, 2011 4:33 pm
by Malcolm
rai wrote:Hi all,

What is Tibetan Buddhism approach towards smoking tobacco. Please write whatever you've heard or read. I am struggling with casual smoking and need some good motivation to give up completely. I've read HH Dudjom Rinpoche' teachings on smoking tobacco but 1) I saw it on Aro website and i am not sure is it authentic or not and 2) the description of the plant are more like a Opium not tobacco, maybe someone read it in Tibetan and could confirm.

Thanks,

Rai

Smoking is stupid, bad for your health, bad for your practice. If you want to smoke, smoke Ayurvedic cigarettes.

Re: Smoking tobacco

Posted: Wed May 04, 2011 4:34 pm
by Indrajala
Namdrol wrote:
rai wrote:Hi all,

What is Tibetan Buddhism approach towards smoking tobacco. Please write whatever you've heard or read. I am struggling with casual smoking and need some good motivation to give up completely. I've read HH Dudjom Rinpoche' teachings on smoking tobacco but 1) I saw it on Aro website and i am not sure is it authentic or not and 2) the description of the plant are more like a Opium not tobacco, maybe someone read it in Tibetan and could confirm.

Thanks,

Rai

Smoking is stupid, bad for your health, bad for your practice. If you want to smoke, smoke Ayurvedic cigarettes.
What do you think of those sadhus in India who smoke weed?

Re: Smoking tobacco

Posted: Wed May 04, 2011 4:38 pm
by Malcolm
Huseng wrote:
Namdrol wrote:
rai wrote:Hi all,

What is Tibetan Buddhism approach towards smoking tobacco. Please write whatever you've heard or read. I am struggling with casual smoking and need some good motivation to give up completely. I've read HH Dudjom Rinpoche' teachings on smoking tobacco but 1) I saw it on Aro website and i am not sure is it authentic or not and 2) the description of the plant are more like a Opium not tobacco, maybe someone read it in Tibetan and could confirm.

Thanks,

Rai

Smoking is stupid, bad for your health, bad for your practice. If you want to smoke, smoke Ayurvedic cigarettes.
What do you think of those sadhus in India who smoke weed?
"Dude, where's my chillum..."

Re: Smoking tobacco

Posted: Wed May 04, 2011 5:02 pm
by Josef
Namdrol wrote:

Smoking is stupid, bad for your health, bad for your practice.
The thing that kills me about smoking is that when people start smoking it is tied to this rebellious self-image.
Ironic considering that smoking is essentially paying "the man" to kill you.
Incredibly stupid.

Re: Smoking tobacco

Posted: Wed May 04, 2011 5:34 pm
by heart
rai wrote:Hi all,

What is Tibetan Buddhism approach towards smoking tobacco. Please write whatever you've heard or read. I am struggling with casual smoking and need some good motivation to give up completely. I've read HH Dudjom Rinpoche' teachings on smoking tobacco but 1) I saw it on Aro website and i am not sure is it authentic or not and 2) the description of the plant are more like a Opium not tobacco, maybe someone read it in Tibetan and could confirm.

Thanks,

Rai
http://bodhiactivity.wordpress.com/2010 ... -rinpoche/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

/magnus

Re: Smoking tobacco

Posted: Wed May 04, 2011 8:12 pm
by Stewart
Dear Namdrol,

I am aware of the view of tobacco, but what is the TM opinion of Marijuana? Both recreational and medical uses? Also, what exactly is in Ayurvedic cigarette?

I am no expert on TM, but I am a patient of Dr Lobsang Dhonden Soktsang of Tara Rokpa in Scotland. He's helped me no end with blood pressure problems.

Many thanks,

s.

ps. I don't smoke anything, just curious.

Re: Smoking tobacco

Posted: Wed May 04, 2011 8:20 pm
by Malcolm
samdrup wrote:Dear Namdrol,

I am aware of the view of tobacco, but what is the TM opinion of Marijuana? Both recreational and medical uses?
Herb does not have many medical uses in TM -- and it is very bad for meditation. Stoners can't meditate well since herb messes with short term memory. If one is a stoner, and thinks one can practice, one is suffering from delusion.

Also, what exactly is in Ayurvedic cigarette?
Herbs which are quite good for the lungs.

http://www.madanapalas.com/nirdosh-herb ... s-p-9.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Smoking healing herbs has an ancient tradition in Ayurveda, it is mentioned in the Caraka Samhita.

When you see people smoking in Mad Men they are smoking some kind of herbal cigarettes.


N

Re: Smoking tobacco

Posted: Wed May 04, 2011 8:52 pm
by Stewart
Thanks N, very interesting.

On a side note, do you mind if I ask you a question please?

Dr Dhonden and Akong Rinpoche advised me to take Rinchen Ratna Samphel pills, along with my other medicines, about once or twice per month. So I got a large stock from Men Tsee Khang in Dharamsala. I take these as advised and prescribed. My question is: How long can I keep these pills? Do they have a shelf life?

Thanks for your time.

s.

Re: Smoking tobacco

Posted: Wed May 04, 2011 8:54 pm
by Malcolm
samdrup wrote:Thanks N, very interesting.

On a side note, do you mind if I ask you a question please?

Dr Dhonden and Akong Rinpoche advised me to take Rinchen Ratna Samphel pills, along with my other medicines, about once or twice per month. So I got a large stock from Men Tsee Khang in Dharamsala. I take these as advised and prescribed. My question is: How long can I keep these pills? Do they have a shelf life?

Thanks for your time.

s.

Precious pills last for centuries, properly made

Re: Smoking tobacco

Posted: Wed May 04, 2011 9:07 pm
by Stewart
Thanks again N,

What's your opinion of the Men Tsee Khang precious pills? Can you recommend any other authentic source? Dr Dhonden did warn me against inferior sources.

I actually had some that were made by Khenpo Troru Tsenam at Kagyu Samye Ling about 12 years ago, but they are long gone.

Thanks,

s.

Re: Smoking tobacco

Posted: Wed May 04, 2011 9:13 pm
by Rakz
Namdrol wrote:
samdrup wrote:Dear Namdrol,

I am aware of the view of tobacco, but what is the TM opinion of Marijuana? Both recreational and medical uses?
Herb does not have many medical uses in TM -- and it is very bad for meditation. Stoners can't meditate well since herb messes with short term memory. If one is a stoner, and thinks one can practice, one is suffering from delusion.

Also, what exactly is in Ayurvedic cigarette?
Herbs which are quite good for the lungs.

http://www.madanapalas.com/nirdosh-herb ... s-p-9.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Smoking healing herbs has an ancient tradition in Ayurveda, it is mentioned in the Caraka Samhita.

When you see people smoking in Mad Men they are smoking some kind of herbal cigarettes.


N
Don't mean to get off topic here but I've been having this on again off again cough for quite some time now. Would you recommend these?

Re: Smoking tobacco

Posted: Wed May 04, 2011 9:33 pm
by Malcolm
maestro wrote:
Namdrol wrote:
samdrup wrote:Dear Namdrol,

I am aware of the view of tobacco, but what is the TM opinion of Marijuana? Both recreational and medical uses?
Herb does not have many medical uses in TM -- and it is very bad for meditation. Stoners can't meditate well since herb messes with short term memory. If one is a stoner, and thinks one can practice, one is suffering from delusion.

Also, what exactly is in Ayurvedic cigarette?
Herbs which are quite good for the lungs.

http://www.madanapalas.com/nirdosh-herb ... s-p-9.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Smoking healing herbs has an ancient tradition in Ayurveda, it is mentioned in the Caraka Samhita.

When you see people smoking in Mad Men they are smoking some kind of herbal cigarettes.


N
Don't mean to get off topic here but I've been having this on again off again cough for quite some time now. Would you recommend these?
You an try them, see how they work out.

Re: Smoking tobacco

Posted: Wed May 04, 2011 10:34 pm
by kirtu
Namdrol wrote:
Huseng wrote:What do you think of those sadhus in India who smoke weed?
"Dude, where's my chillum..."
What is that all about?

Kirt

Re: Smoking tobacco

Posted: Wed May 04, 2011 10:36 pm
by Malcolm
kirtu wrote:
Namdrol wrote:
Huseng wrote:What do you think of those sadhus in India who smoke weed?
"Dude, where's my chillum..."
What is that all about?

Kirt

it's a joke adapted from the stoner movie "Dude, Where's My Car?".

Re: Smoking tobacco

Posted: Wed May 04, 2011 10:57 pm
by Caz
Precious human life anyone ? Now who would want to waste a single moment of it or create the causes for it to shorten when we've got an oppertunity to learn and practise Dharma ? :shrug:

Re: Smoking tobacco

Posted: Wed May 04, 2011 11:00 pm
by justsit
LOL, haven't heard of a chillum since the 70's. :twothumbsup:

We also smoked some killer Indian cigarettes called Sher Bidis - really nasty. Now there's a smoke you don't wanna toke.
But, back then, it was anything for a buzz. :crazy:

Re: Smoking tobacco

Posted: Wed May 04, 2011 11:05 pm
by kirtu
Namdrol wrote:it's a joke adapted from the stoner movie "Dude, Where's My Car?".
No, I mean why do the sadhus smoke marijuana or whatever they smoke?

Kirt

Re: Smoking tobacco

Posted: Wed May 04, 2011 11:07 pm
by kirtu
Caz wrote:Precious human life anyone ? Now who would want to waste a single moment of it or create the causes for it to shorten when we've got an oppertunity to learn and practise Dharma ? :shrug:
Smoking is addicitive and it's also supposed to be pleasureable. People will do anything they find pleasureable.

Kirt

Re: Smoking tobacco

Posted: Thu May 05, 2011 12:28 am
by Malcolm
kirtu wrote:
Namdrol wrote:it's a joke adapted from the stoner movie "Dude, Where's My Car?".
No, I mean why do the sadhus smoke marijuana or whatever they smoke?

Kirt
because they think Siva was a stoner too. It is their creation stage.