in a jog through the forest last night(a real thing I did not a metaphor or such thing)
I was thinking how very difficult it could be to arrive at a thing of understanding by negation as opposed to position or the positive.
As in....I know this red dog is not black. I could say this red dog is also not grey nor white nor blue and on and on, forever really I could go on saying colors it is not, never arriving at what color it is.
Or I could approximate what color it is. Or position its color in relationship to others to ascertain its real color.
In any event..yes I think muni I take allowances very many when I am on your threads....I think we may communicate in different manners than words written.
Felt perhaps or other.
So yes DN I can be very seemingly obtuse evasive in meaning and subtle. This has no value to you so I say....yes, leave it alone.
I hold no value to you. There is nothing wrong with that, I hold no value to many, it is not my concern.
muni... I think she may understand we are not just communicating in words. Nothing special to her or to me about her or me....this is how peoples are, pushed aside this thing is in the way of words and thoughts......we are poetry and meaning is found in the cadence and notes as much as in the content of the words sung.
Such is why we may find drums and other things used in ceremony....it is not just for atmosphere...these many things are not spoken things and we can only approximate their meaning with words. Truth be told DN...like as not I think in light, no more no less than that.
So to communicate really truly beyond words we must want to know what is being communicated look for it in the tone context and atmosphere...
so leave it alone DN it is not for you. If I disagree it is that I disagree with a idea of yours, not you, you are not my concern nor my study.
Occasionally I will speak directly and forcefully.
I have no accomplishment nor spiritual understanding but cannot deny to please you or others what I am....it is this and this is largely how I communicate.
As I communicate with muni here on this thread...most comfortable I am with this way.
Others I am also comfortable with in this fashion and muni and I am not the only ones in this way I surmise.
It is not better nor worse but as we are...different, it is not the language or barrier....it is that we are different.
I have learned I must not deny nor hide that.
It may hold no value to others or great value....that is not my concern...it is as I am.
I don't think as you do. I cannot deny myself. Occasionally I may...mostly no.
To point placebo.....all samsara life....is false a false read on things. Things are not as they seem. We can study life false though it may be and use such a study to find a truth in it.
We have found the statement a red dog is black false and can now proclaim that we have found a false thing and that is a truth.
So through falsehood we have found truth.
A placebe a false thing which is not really a medicine or real for its purpose....provides us truth, a understanding.
So yes...the buddha did provide us a understanding of this placebo...which is karma self other found unreal....so we may be healed from its sickness..the sickness of individual identity...the me.
So I am agreeing with muni but in perhaps a different way then has been expressed by others.
Karma the collective unconscious reflecting karma, it all is based on a false conception of reality the notion of a singular identity...but we may use such false notion studied to find truth and essentially freedom from it and in the end...all concepts.
As to you muni....you cannot be other than compassionate...Really it goes without saying...all know that. It is quite obvious.
and attain this thing they call enlightenment.
The false red dog called black is however not the thing....karma me self other....it is all untrue and unreal...we tend to forget that....especially if we may develope consequent reading skills such as prophecy reading thoughts and such things.
We must remember really it is all false what we are reading.
The truth of things is beyond that and cannot be read in this conceptual fashion.