Where have all the Kagyupas gone?

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Re: Where have all the Kagyupas gone?

Post by Crazywisdom » Thu Jan 21, 2016 11:16 am

So ones talking about Niguma's lineage which is alive and well. Shangpa Kagyu. I know a young lama carries this on in Bhutan.
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Re: Where have all the Kagyupas gone?

Post by conebeckham » Thu Jan 21, 2016 5:32 pm

Well, Shangpa Kagyu is a completely different lineage than any of the "greater" or "lesser" schools/lineages stemming from Marpa, through Mila and Gampopa.

"Kagyu" means, simply, "oral lineage." Or maybe "Word lineage."

In any case, the Shangpa Kagyu transmissions are alive and well, and actually are practiced in Karma Kagyu, Sakya, Gelukpa, Jonangpa, even by some Nyingma Lamas. Kyabje Dilgo Khyentse Rinpoche practiced Shangpa and even wrote a Monlam for the flourishing of the lineage.

But as an institution, it didn't last long after Khedrup Khyungpo Naljor's immediate disciples. There have been recent attempts to "re-institutionalize" it, but by and large it flourishes mainly amongst the students of the previous Kyabje Kalu Rinpoche, who dubbed his transmission the DakShang Kagyu, to symbolize both Dakpo (Gampopa) and Shangpa lineages.
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Re: Where have all the Kagyupas gone?

Post by Tom » Fri Aug 11, 2017 12:31 pm

Here is an interview with Gharwang Rinpoche about the Zurmang / Surmang Kagyu lineage. There interview touches on Trunga Rinpoche, Rechung Nyengyu and many wonderful stories about His Holiness the 16th Karmapa. Enjoy.

http://learn.wisdompubs.org/podcast/gharwang-rinpoche/

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Re: Where have all the Kagyupas gone?

Post by passel » Sat Sep 02, 2017 8:05 pm

Tana Yelpa lineage- I don't know anything about it beyond what's in this link, but I'd suspect it will become more accessible to anglophone practitioners shortly:

https://tsoknyirinpoche.org/the-tana-ye ... -rinpoche/
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