What does the name "Nyatrul" mean?

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methar
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What does the name "Nyatrul" mean?

Post by methar » Tue Oct 03, 2017 7:45 pm

Could someone who knows Tibetan please tell me what the name "Nyatrul" means in Tibetan.
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Re: What does the name "Nyatrul" mean?

Post by mutsuk » Tue Oct 03, 2017 9:39 pm

It is probably for "nyag-sprul" which means "the emanation from Nyag(-rong)". There are lots of Lamas called Nya(g)trül something.

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Re: What does the name "Nyatrul" mean?

Post by conebeckham » Tue Oct 03, 2017 10:15 pm

That, or it could mean "Fish Nirmanakaya." :smile:

I'd go with Mutsuk's answer.
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Re: What does the name "Nyatrul" mean?

Post by dzogchungpa » Tue Oct 03, 2017 10:32 pm

conebeckham wrote:
Tue Oct 03, 2017 10:15 pm
... "Fish Nirmanakaya"...
Apparently there has actually been such a thing, see:
https://books.google.com/books?id=wFFeA ... 06&dq=fish
If you focus on an object, you are not meditating. - Dudjom Rinpoche

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Re: What does the name "Nyatrul" mean?

Post by methar » Wed Oct 04, 2017 2:07 am

"Nyatrul" was the name given to this spirit by the 13th Dalai Lama.

Prior to it becoming a spirit its human name was Nyari Tulku.

I thought that since both names started with"Nya" they had something in common.

Do any of you know what "Nyari" means and does it have a relationship to the name "Nyatrul"?

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Re: What does the name "Nyatrul" mean?

Post by crazy-man » Wed Oct 04, 2017 10:06 am

nyari means fish or fish-like. it´s dorje shugden stuff.
Geshe-la told me the story of Nyatrul’s rising as a vengeful spirit and how it relates to Tagphu Pemavajra, according to the writings of H.E. Kyabje Dagom Rinpoche (who happens to be one of H.E. the 25th Tsem Rinpoche’s gurus). He explained how and why Nyatrul continues to cause problems for the Tibetan leadership and, according to the workings of karma, why no one has been able to subdue him. Most of all, Geshe-la explained how it relates to the rumours that it was really Nyatrul (and not Nechung) who told His Holiness the Dalai Lama to ban Dorje Shugden.
The Spirit Nyatrul: Magic, Mischief and Misery
http://www.tsemrinpoche.com/tsem-tulku- ... isery.html
A man "in whom the spirit of Nechung Choikyong reposed." was then arrested, but he was exonerated, and the quilt of advising the administration of the wrong medicine was placed on the evil spirit of the learned Lama Nyatrul who in life, onposed the Dalai Lama and was imprisoned at Darjeeling where he committed suicide. Chansal Kunnhel La was acquitted of the charrre of having caused the Dalai Lama's death, but he was exiled to a monastery for life, and his oronertr was confiscated. His father was also released. Another of the arrested relatives was exiled, and the third released.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/47540834

http://rinpoche4.rssing.com/chan-4776059/all_p579.html

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Re: What does the name "Nyatrul" mean?

Post by Tenma » Mon Nov 13, 2017 12:54 am

crazy-man wrote:
Wed Oct 04, 2017 10:06 am
nyari means fish or fish-like. it´s dorje shugden stuff.
Geshe-la told me the story of Nyatrul’s rising as a vengeful spirit and how it relates to Tagphu Pemavajra, according to the writings of H.E. Kyabje Dagom Rinpoche (who happens to be one of H.E. the 25th Tsem Rinpoche’s gurus). He explained how and why Nyatrul continues to cause problems for the Tibetan leadership and, according to the workings of karma, why no one has been able to subdue him. Most of all, Geshe-la explained how it relates to the rumours that it was really Nyatrul (and not Nechung) who told His Holiness the Dalai Lama to ban Dorje Shugden.
The Spirit Nyatrul: Magic, Mischief and Misery
http://www.tsemrinpoche.com/tsem-tulku- ... isery.html
A man "in whom the spirit of Nechung Choikyong reposed." was then arrested, but he was exonerated, and the quilt of advising the administration of the wrong medicine was placed on the evil spirit of the learned Lama Nyatrul who in life, onposed the Dalai Lama and was imprisoned at Darjeeling where he committed suicide. Chansal Kunnhel La was acquitted of the charrre of having caused the Dalai Lama's death, but he was exiled to a monastery for life, and his oronertr was confiscated. His father was also released. Another of the arrested relatives was exiled, and the third released.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/47540834

http://rinpoche4.rssing.com/chan-4776059/all_p579.html
Why is it that every time a lama is killed, there's always a spirit arising? First Shugden from murdered Tulku Drakpa Gyaltsen, and now this? How much more impossible obstacles from karma is there left even?

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Re: What does the name "Nyatrul" mean?

Post by Tenma » Mon Nov 13, 2017 12:56 am

dzogchungpa wrote:
Tue Oct 03, 2017 10:32 pm
conebeckham wrote:
Tue Oct 03, 2017 10:15 pm
... "Fish Nirmanakaya"...
Apparently there has actually been such a thing, see:
https://books.google.com/books?id=wFFeA ... 06&dq=fish
So would the early deaths of the 4 Dalai Lamas be because of Nyari Tulku's and Drakpa Gyaltsen's deaths? When will the karma extinguish? Can't they just perform a billion Vajrasattva sadhanas to end this if destruction exorcism won't work?

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