Garchen Rinpoche Chakrasamvara Empowerment & Ganges Mahamudra

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Garchen Rinpoche Chakrasamvara Empowerment & Ganges Mahamudra

Post by emaho » Fri Apr 27, 2018 6:31 pm

Starting in about an hour:

CHAKRASAMVARA EMPOWERMENT
by H.E. Garchen Rinpoche
Today, April 27, 2:30 PM - 5:30 PM (ET)

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Re: Garchen Rinpoche Chakrasamvara Empowerment & Ganges Mahamudra

Post by emaho » Fri Apr 27, 2018 6:34 pm

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Re: Garchen Rinpoche Chakrasamvara Empowerment & Ganges Mahamudra

Post by Sennin » Sat Apr 28, 2018 5:29 pm

Which version of the Mahamudra upadesha is more widely taught?

For example in the past Garchen Rinpoche has taught from both versions; the one that begins with the line:

I prostrate to glorious Vajradakini!

As well as the one that begins with the line:

Homage to glorious co-emergence!
Thus, there is not a single one who has entered into this teaching who fails to attain buddhahood.

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Post by Sennin » Sun Apr 29, 2018 5:07 am

Sennin wrote:
Sat Apr 28, 2018 5:29 pm
Which version of the Mahamudra upadesha is more widely taught?

For example in the past Garchen Rinpoche has taught from both versions; the one that begins with the line:

I prostrate to glorious Vajradakini!

As well as the one that begins with the line:

Homage to glorious co-emergence!
Apologies for double post but I need to make a correction. The previous Mahamudra Upadesha teachings I heard from Garchen Rinpoche did begin with: Homage to glorious co-emergence!

And if I'm not mistaken the version that begins with:
I prostrate to glorious Vajradakini! is more widely used in the Karma Kagyu school.
Thus, there is not a single one who has entered into this teaching who fails to attain buddhahood.

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Post by emaho » Sun Apr 29, 2018 11:51 am

Hi Sennin,

I'm afraid, I have no clue.
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Re: Garchen Rinpoche Chakrasamvara Empowerment & Ganges Mahamudra

Post by Mantrik » Sun Apr 29, 2018 12:44 pm

Is it normal in the Kagyu to give the Vajrayogini empowerment first?

In Gelugpa the Heruka empowerment usually precedes the Vajrayogini in HYT.
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Post by ratna » Sun Apr 29, 2018 1:24 pm

Mantrik wrote:
Sun Apr 29, 2018 12:44 pm
Is it normal in the Kagyu to give the Vajrayogini empowerment first?

In Gelugpa the Heruka empowerment usually precedes the Vajrayogini in HYT.
You've discovered an issue that has been controversial since the 13th century (see Sakya Pandita's Clear Differentiation of the Three Vows and also this.)

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Post by Lhasa » Sun Apr 29, 2018 2:07 pm

Mantrik wrote:
Sun Apr 29, 2018 12:44 pm
Is it normal in the Kagyu to give the Vajrayogini empowerment first?

In Gelugpa the Heruka empowerment usually precedes the Vajrayogini in HYT.
I don't know the answer to your question, but in information I read about this Vajrayogini empowerment, it is necessary in order to practice Phowa. Vajrayogini is the deity one transforms into during the practice. And they taught Phowa in the days after this empowerment.
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Post by Malcolm » Sun Apr 29, 2018 2:11 pm

Lhasa wrote:
Sun Apr 29, 2018 2:07 pm
Mantrik wrote:
Sun Apr 29, 2018 12:44 pm
Is it normal in the Kagyu to give the Vajrayogini empowerment first?

In Gelugpa the Heruka empowerment usually precedes the Vajrayogini in HYT.
I don't know the answer to your question, but in information I read about this Vajrayogini empowerment, it is necessary in order to practice Powa. Vajrayogini is the deity one transforms into during the practice. And they taught Powa in the days after this empowerment.
Depends on the phowa.
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-- Ārya-adhyāśaya-sañcodana-nāma-mahāyāna-sūtra

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One can understand that all of those Dharmas in
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Re: Garchen Rinpoche Chakrasamvara Empowerment & Ganges Mahamudra

Post by Lhasa » Sun Apr 29, 2018 2:21 pm

Malcolm wrote:
Sun Apr 29, 2018 2:11 pm
Lhasa wrote:
Sun Apr 29, 2018 2:07 pm
Mantrik wrote:
Sun Apr 29, 2018 12:44 pm
Is it normal in the Kagyu to give the Vajrayogini empowerment first?

In Gelugpa the Heruka empowerment usually precedes the Vajrayogini in HYT.
I don't know the answer to your question, but in information I read about this Vajrayogini empowerment, it is necessary in order to practice Powa. Vajrayogini is the deity one transforms into during the practice. And they taught Powa in the days after this empowerment.
Depends on the phowa.
Yes, they gave the empowerment and then the transmission of the phowa which uses Vajrayogini. Interesting that Garchen also said you could use your yidam instead of Vajrayogini.

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Re: Garchen Rinpoche Chakrasamvara Empowerment & Ganges Mahamudra

Post by Sennin » Sun Apr 29, 2018 5:12 pm

Garchen Rinpoche gave the lung for Kyabje Jigten Sumgons protection wheel.
:twothumbsup:
Thus, there is not a single one who has entered into this teaching who fails to attain buddhahood.

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Post by emaho » Sun Apr 29, 2018 5:37 pm

Does anybody know if the english translation by Ken McLeod is free?

http://www.naturalawareness.net/ganges.html#KenMcLeod

I find it all over the net, but that doesn't mean that the translator agrees with the distribution... I'm asking because I'm compiling an epub more or less with copy and paste from two sources, the Tibetan text from the rywiki

http://rywiki.tsadra.org/index.php/phya ... i_man_ngag

which I converted with good ole wylie for word, and the English translation by McLeod. If the translation is free I'd be happy to share the result. (Though there seem to be a couple of typos in the ry text...)
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Post by Mantrik » Sun Apr 29, 2018 7:06 pm

ratna wrote:
Sun Apr 29, 2018 1:24 pm
Mantrik wrote:
Sun Apr 29, 2018 12:44 pm
Is it normal in the Kagyu to give the Vajrayogini empowerment first?

In Gelugpa the Heruka empowerment usually precedes the Vajrayogini in HYT.
You've discovered an issue that has been controversial since the 13th century (see Sakya Pandita's Clear Differentiation of the Three Vows and also this.)
I had no idea there were so many variations, not to mention the mahamudra issue and the difference between blessing and empowerment. I'm not sure how many variations there are within the Gelugpa, between the Lamas, but my guess is very few.

I liked Garchen Rinpoche's explanation prior to the empowerment, relating to the 'old' and 'new' ways.
http://www.khyung.com

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Suvarna Pakshaya Dheemahe
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Post by emaho » Sun Apr 29, 2018 8:41 pm

OK, if somebody wants to have the text, PM me. I'm not going to put it online publicly as I don't know if McLeod's translation free, but I hope it's OK when I share it with this community.

I made three corrections to the text, at least I hope they are corrections - if I screwed this up or if somebody finds any other mistakes please let me know :smile:


The first line reads:
/phya rgya chen po bstan du med kyis kyang/

All other versions I found read phyag rgya chen po, so I changed this.

in one line the rywiki text reads:

/byas ba’i chos la syning po me pas don ldan snying po ltos/

I changed this to snying po

and near the end it reads tee lo pas - wylie for word was unable to convert that, I'm guessing it's another way of transscribing what I know from the extended wylie transliteration scheme as tai, so I changed it correspondingly, which generates this letter: ཏཻ
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Re: Garchen Rinpoche Chakrasamvara Empowerment & Ganges Mahamudra

Post by Lhasa » Mon Apr 30, 2018 4:14 pm

Sennin wrote:
Sun Apr 29, 2018 5:12 pm
Garchen Rinpoche gave the lung for Kyabje Jigten Sumgons protection wheel.
:twothumbsup:
Would you please explain more about what this is and where to find the text?

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Re: Garchen Rinpoche Chakrasamvara Empowerment & Ganges Mahamudra

Post by Sennin » Mon Apr 30, 2018 4:40 pm

Lhasa wrote:
Mon Apr 30, 2018 4:14 pm
Sennin wrote:
Sun Apr 29, 2018 5:12 pm
Garchen Rinpoche gave the lung for Kyabje Jigten Sumgons protection wheel.
:twothumbsup:
Would you please explain more about what this is and where to find the text?
Here is a description:
http://www.buddhavisions.com/yidam-deit ... on-stage/
  • This sadhana, composed by Jigten Sumgön (1143-1217), contains the practices of Avalokitesharva, the wrathful deity Achala, and Vajrayogini woven into one. It is designed to be practiced when doing the practices of chandali (tummo or inner fire meditation)
.

I'm not really certain on the details, Garchen Rinpoche gave the transmission for the text immediately after he completed the Ganges Mahamudra teaching.
Thus, there is not a single one who has entered into this teaching who fails to attain buddhahood.

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Re: Garchen Rinpoche Chakrasamvara Empowerment & Ganges Mahamudra

Post by Lhasa » Mon Apr 30, 2018 4:46 pm

Sennin wrote:
Mon Apr 30, 2018 4:40 pm
Lhasa wrote:
Mon Apr 30, 2018 4:14 pm
Sennin wrote:
Sun Apr 29, 2018 5:12 pm
Garchen Rinpoche gave the lung for Kyabje Jigten Sumgons protection wheel.
:twothumbsup:
Would you please explain more about what this is and where to find the text?
Here is a description:
http://www.buddhavisions.com/yidam-deit ... on-stage/
  • This sadhana, composed by Jigten Sumgön (1143-1217), contains the practices of Avalokitesharva, the wrathful deity Achala, and Vajrayogini woven into one. It is designed to be practiced when doing the practices of chandali (tummo or inner fire meditation)
.

I'm not really certain on the details, Garchen Rinpoche gave the transmission for the text immediately after he completed the Ganges Mahamudra teaching.
Thank you :hug:

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Re: Garchen Rinpoche Chakrasamvara Empowerment & Ganges Mahamudra

Post by Empty Desire » Mon Apr 30, 2018 7:23 pm

I received this Empowerment via Livestream there were four in total, the Generation and Mantra Transmission, Tummo then two for Mahamudra.

Can anyone with the knowledge clarify the meaning of the last two empowerments?

Thanks

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Re: Garchen Rinpoche Chakrasamvara Empowerment & Ganges Mahamudra

Post by csmorg96 » Tue May 01, 2018 1:54 am

Are there typically daily practice commitments as a part of the samaya for receiving Chakrasamvara for Garchen Rinpoche?

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Post by amanitamusc » Tue May 01, 2018 2:44 am

csmorg96 wrote:
Tue May 01, 2018 1:54 am
Are there typically daily practice commitments as a part of the samaya for receiving Chakrasamvara for Garchen Rinpoche?
I remember Rinpoche saying the root samaya is Bodhichitta.

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