Troma Nagmo

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Troma Nagmo

Post by Lhasa » Fri Jun 22, 2018 2:21 am

Has Garchen Rinpoche ever given an online empowerment of Troma Nagmo?

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Re: Troma Nagmo

Post by Josef » Fri Jun 22, 2018 4:48 am

Lhasa wrote:
Fri Jun 22, 2018 2:21 am
Has Garchen Rinpoche ever given an online empowerment of Troma Nagmo?
Not that I know of.
He has given Vajrayogini though.
Which Troma Nagmo are you interested in?
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Re: Troma Nagmo

Post by Lhasa » Fri Jun 22, 2018 4:50 am

The one that is part of the Ganden Ear Whisper Chod.

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Re: Troma Nagmo

Post by Josef » Fri Jun 22, 2018 4:24 pm

Lhasa wrote:
Fri Jun 22, 2018 4:50 am
The one that is part of the Ganden Ear Whisper Chod.
You're going to need a Gelug lama for that most likely.
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Re: Troma Nagmo

Post by Fortyeightvows » Fri Jun 22, 2018 6:06 pm

I've never heard of a geluk lama giving a troma empowerment

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Post by Josef » Fri Jun 22, 2018 6:30 pm

Fortyeightvows wrote:
Fri Jun 22, 2018 6:06 pm
I've never heard of a geluk lama giving a troma empowerment
They dont really.
The chod just includes Troma visualization etc.
The Ganden Chod transmission is what the op is actually seeking.
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Re: Troma Nagmo

Post by Fortyeightvows » Fri Jun 22, 2018 6:36 pm

Correct

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Re: Troma Nagmo

Post by Lhasa » Fri Jun 22, 2018 6:43 pm

No, I'm wondering if Garchen Rinpoche has ever given a Troma Nagmo empowerment online since 2012.

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Re: Troma Nagmo

Post by conebeckham » Fri Jun 22, 2018 10:12 pm

Hey Lhasa-
In my Chod tradition, which is Kongtrul's and Karma Chagme's coming down from Machig, you don't need a separate empowerment for the Troma visualization; you need to the Chod empowerments and transmissions. I am guesssing Ganden Chod's transmission and "restriction" would be similar in some sense. Troma in a Chod/Lujin ritual is a bit different than practicing Troma as a yidam deity. Dudjom Tersar's Troma includes both yidam practice as Troma, as well as the Lujin (feasts). But there are "stand-alone" practices of KyeRim for Troma. I don't know if Garchen Rinpoche has given it, on line or elsewhere, but I do know there is a Troma practice found in the Yangzab Terma which is practiced and held by Drikungpas.
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Re: Troma Nagmo

Post by Josef » Sat Jun 23, 2018 2:48 am

Lhasa wrote:
Fri Jun 22, 2018 6:43 pm
No, I'm wondering if Garchen Rinpoche has ever given a Troma Nagmo empowerment online since 2012.
No, not that I have heard of nor participated in.
You're also seeking a transmission that is outside his lineage.
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Re: Troma Nagmo

Post by Lhasa » Sat Jun 23, 2018 3:02 am

Josef wrote:
Sat Jun 23, 2018 2:48 am
Lhasa wrote:
Fri Jun 22, 2018 6:43 pm
No, I'm wondering if Garchen Rinpoche has ever given a Troma Nagmo empowerment online since 2012.
No, not that I have heard of nor participated in.
You're also seeking a transmission that is outside his lineage.
No, I'm not. I know he gave a Chod empowerment in Europe but I don't remember where or any details about it. It was several years ago. I have the Ear Whisper Chod transmission.

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Post by Josef » Sat Jun 23, 2018 3:21 am

Lhasa wrote:
Sat Jun 23, 2018 3:02 am
Josef wrote:
Sat Jun 23, 2018 2:48 am
Lhasa wrote:
Fri Jun 22, 2018 6:43 pm
No, I'm wondering if Garchen Rinpoche has ever given a Troma Nagmo empowerment online since 2012.
No, not that I have heard of nor participated in.
You're also seeking a transmission that is outside his lineage.
No, I'm not. I know he gave a Chod empowerment in Europe but I don't remember where or any details about it. It was several years ago. I have the Ear Whisper Chod transmission.
That’s not the same as the Ganden transmission, which is a part of an entirely different lineage.
Nor is it a Troma empowerment.
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Re: Troma Nagmo

Post by Grigoris » Sat Jun 23, 2018 8:42 am

The chod we do in the Dudjom Tersar uses Throma Nagmo as the yidam and includes the empowerments for the ngakpa accouterments.

Loppon Ogyan Tanzin Rinpoche will be giving the empowerment in Poland and Spain this year, if you are in Europe.
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Re: Troma Nagmo

Post by Lhasa » Sat Jun 23, 2018 1:13 pm

Josef wrote:
Sat Jun 23, 2018 3:21 am
Lhasa wrote:
Sat Jun 23, 2018 3:02 am
Josef wrote:
Sat Jun 23, 2018 2:48 am


No, not that I have heard of nor participated in.
You're also seeking a transmission that is outside his lineage.
No, I'm not. I know he gave a Chod empowerment in Europe but I don't remember where or any details about it. It was several years ago. I have the Ear Whisper Chod transmission.
That’s not the same as the Ganden transmission, which is a part of an entirely different lineage.
Nor is it a Troma empowerment.

That is not the point. To spell it out, I have the Ganden transmission which uses Troma Nagmo. I am wondering if I've had contact with this Dakini in any other way. I asked about Garchen la's Chod empowerment because there was no sadhana given and I don't remember the details. I don't remember ChNN using this Dakini in his Chod. I am not equating one with the other, only wondering if I have met this Dakini before. And the only time that might have happened, would be with the Chod empowerment with Garchen Rinpoche.
Again, did anyone attend that online Chod empowerment with Garchen Rinpoche? Or know the name of the sadhana? :meditate:

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Re: Troma Nagmo

Post by treehuggingoctopus » Sat Jun 23, 2018 2:59 pm

Lhasa wrote:
Sat Jun 23, 2018 1:13 pm
I don't remember ChNN using this Dakini in his Chod.
ChNN's Chod sadhana does feature Throma Nagmo as the yidam (although one may substitute Simhamukha for her, too).
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Re: Troma Nagmo

Post by Lhasa » Sat Jun 23, 2018 3:02 pm

treehuggingoctopus wrote:
Sat Jun 23, 2018 2:59 pm
Lhasa wrote:
Sat Jun 23, 2018 1:13 pm
I don't remember ChNN using this Dakini in his Chod.
ChNN's Chod sadhana does feature Throma Nagmo (although one may substitute Simhamukha for her, too).
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Re: Troma Nagmo

Post by Josef » Sat Jun 23, 2018 3:37 pm

Lhasa wrote:
Sat Jun 23, 2018 1:13 pm
Josef wrote:
Sat Jun 23, 2018 3:21 am
Lhasa wrote:
Sat Jun 23, 2018 3:02 am


No, I'm not. I know he gave a Chod empowerment in Europe but I don't remember where or any details about it. It was several years ago. I have the Ear Whisper Chod transmission.
That’s not the same as the Ganden transmission, which is a part of an entirely different lineage.
Nor is it a Troma empowerment.

That is not the point. To spell it out, I have the Ganden transmission which uses Troma Nagmo. I am wondering if I've had contact with this Dakini in any other way. I asked about Garchen la's Chod empowerment because there was no sadhana given and I don't remember the details. I don't remember ChNN using this Dakini in his Chod. I am not equating one with the other, only wondering if I have met this Dakini before. And the only time that might have happened, would be with the Chod empowerment with Garchen Rinpoche.
Again, did anyone attend that online Chod empowerment with Garchen Rinpoche? Or know the name of the sadhana? :meditate:
The principle deity for chod is Troma Nakmo.
There are also Troma Nakmo empowerments in the Dudjom Tersar and Kunzang Dechen Lingpa lineages that come with more standard deity sadhanas.
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Re: Troma Nagmo

Post by heart » Sat Jun 23, 2018 4:23 pm

Josef wrote:
Sat Jun 23, 2018 3:37 pm
Lhasa wrote:
Sat Jun 23, 2018 1:13 pm
Josef wrote:
Sat Jun 23, 2018 3:21 am


That’s not the same as the Ganden transmission, which is a part of an entirely different lineage.
Nor is it a Troma empowerment.

That is not the point. To spell it out, I have the Ganden transmission which uses Troma Nagmo. I am wondering if I've had contact with this Dakini in any other way. I asked about Garchen la's Chod empowerment because there was no sadhana given and I don't remember the details. I don't remember ChNN using this Dakini in his Chod. I am not equating one with the other, only wondering if I have met this Dakini before. And the only time that might have happened, would be with the Chod empowerment with Garchen Rinpoche.
Again, did anyone attend that online Chod empowerment with Garchen Rinpoche? Or know the name of the sadhana? :meditate:
The principle deity for chod is Troma Nakmo.
There are also Troma Nakmo empowerments in the Dudjom Tersar and Kunzang Dechen Lingpa lineages that come with more standard deity sadhanas.
And also there is one Troma among the Yangzab teachings.

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Re: Troma Nagmo

Post by Josef » Sat Jun 23, 2018 5:26 pm

heart wrote:
Sat Jun 23, 2018 4:23 pm
Josef wrote:
Sat Jun 23, 2018 3:37 pm
Lhasa wrote:
Sat Jun 23, 2018 1:13 pm



That is not the point. To spell it out, I have the Ganden transmission which uses Troma Nagmo. I am wondering if I've had contact with this Dakini in any other way. I asked about Garchen la's Chod empowerment because there was no sadhana given and I don't remember the details. I don't remember ChNN using this Dakini in his Chod. I am not equating one with the other, only wondering if I have met this Dakini before. And the only time that might have happened, would be with the Chod empowerment with Garchen Rinpoche.
Again, did anyone attend that online Chod empowerment with Garchen Rinpoche? Or know the name of the sadhana? :meditate:
The principle deity for chod is Troma Nakmo.
There are also Troma Nakmo empowerments in the Dudjom Tersar and Kunzang Dechen Lingpa lineages that come with more standard deity sadhanas.
And also there is one Troma among the Yangzab teachings.

/magnus
Cool!
I was unaware of that one.
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Re: Troma Nagmo

Post by Mantrik » Sat Jun 23, 2018 6:10 pm

Lhasa wrote:
Fri Jun 22, 2018 2:21 am
Has Garchen Rinpoche ever given an online empowerment of Troma Nagmo?
There are pdf files around of Garchen Rinpoche's teachings on Chod.
I'm not sure of the status of the file but there may be some useful info for you in it?

https://www.holybooks.com/wp-content/up ... npoche.pdf
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