HHST Chakrasamvara qoute
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HHST Chakrasamvara qoute
“Unlike other mandala such as Hevajra or Kalachakra, the Chakrasamvara mandala is still fully manifested and active in the twenty-four holy places in India. For this reason, Chakrasamvara and his consort, Vajrayogini, are considered one of the most effective deities of our time.”
Could anybody elaborate on this qoute from HH Sakya Trizin?
Could anybody elaborate on this qoute from HH Sakya Trizin?
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What's the source of this quote?csmorg96 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 26, 2018 8:44 pm “Unlike other mandala such as Hevajra or Kalachakra, the Chakrasamvara mandala is still fully manifested and active in the twenty-four holy places in India. For this reason, Chakrasamvara and his consort, Vajrayogini, are considered one of the most effective deities of our time.”
Could anybody elaborate on this qoute from HH Sakya Trizin?
"Meditation is a spiritual exercise, not a therapeutic regime... Our intention is to enter Nirvana, not to make life in Samsara more tolerable." Chan Master Hsu Yun
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https://www.sakya.org/2018/06/chakrasam ... a-trichen/yan kong wrote: ↑Sat Jul 07, 2018 11:57 pmWhat's the source of this quote?csmorg96 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 26, 2018 8:44 pm “Unlike other mandala such as Hevajra or Kalachakra, the Chakrasamvara mandala is still fully manifested and active in the twenty-four holy places in India. For this reason, Chakrasamvara and his consort, Vajrayogini, are considered one of the most effective deities of our time.”
Could anybody elaborate on this qoute from HH Sakya Trizin?
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I really just was curious what an active mandala is versus an inactive mandala. What does it actually mean when HH says Chakrasmavara is still active?
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I'm afraid I can't comment but you might have better luck in the Sakya sub forum.
"Meditation is a spiritual exercise, not a therapeutic regime... Our intention is to enter Nirvana, not to make life in Samsara more tolerable." Chan Master Hsu Yun
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Usually when the Buddha Vajradhara taught a tantra, he manifested as the deity and mandala then dissolved it. However, the Chakrasamvara tantra was taught (in part) to subdue Shiva, Uma, and their retinue at the 24 sites, so the Buddha did not dissolve the mandalas after the tantra was taught to keep Shiva under control so to speak. Thus, it is said that at Mt. Kailash (Meru) and the other sites, the actual complete mandalas of Chakrasamvara are still there.
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Maybe shiva escaped to the West in the 70's...no mandalas here to control him....thank you Ram Dass....not.jmlee369 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 08, 2018 8:55 am Usually when the Buddha Vajradhara taught a tantra, he manifested as the deity and mandala then dissolved it. However, the Chakrasamvara tantra was taught (in part) to subdue Shiva, Uma, and their retinue at the 24 sites, so the Buddha did not dissolve the mandalas after the tantra was taught to keep Shiva under control so to speak. Thus, it is said that at Mt. Kailash (Meru) and the other sites, the actual complete mandalas of Chakrasamvara are still there.
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jmlee369 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 08, 2018 8:55 am Usually when the Buddha Vajradhara taught a tantra, he manifested as the deity and mandala then dissolved it. However, the Chakrasamvara tantra was taught (in part) to subdue Shiva, Uma, and their retinue at the 24 sites, so the Buddha did not dissolve the mandalas after the tantra was taught to keep Shiva under control so to speak. Thus, it is said that at Mt. Kailash (Meru) and the other sites, the actual complete mandalas of Chakrasamvara are still there.
If someone don't know about the 24 sacred places.
http://www.rigpawiki.org/index.php?titl ... red_places
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"The principal practice is Guruyoga. But we need to understand that any secondary practice combined with Guruyoga becomes a principal practice." ChNNR (Teachings on Thun and Ganapuja)
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Actually there are differences in some names. However, that could be the same palace.
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I thought this teaching has its source from the Tantra. Not only HHST, but all Gelugs and Kagyu's masters taught the same thing. The reason is as someone already explained, the Buddha didn't absorb the mandala back after conferring the teaching. Another features of Chakrasamvara/Vajrayogini practice is that as a person desire increases, it becomes ever more effective.csmorg96 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 26, 2018 8:44 pm “Unlike other mandala such as Hevajra or Kalachakra, the Chakrasamvara mandala is still fully manifested and active in the twenty-four holy places in India. For this reason, Chakrasamvara and his consort, Vajrayogini, are considered one of the most effective deities of our time.”
Could anybody elaborate on this qoute from HH Sakya Trizin?